Caught doing 84 on M62
Discussion
This isn’t a plea for sympathy or excuses, I was speeding, fair enough. Caught by one of the variable speed limit cameras and the letter says speed limit at the time was 70 so not set to a lower speed on the matrix signs. My question is are these getting tighter on the speed you can go through when they are not showing a reduced speed? I’ve used this stretch of M62 for years and must have been going faster on numerous occasions. Are they just randomly set to a value where they will be set off?
C5_Steve said:
I was surprised to know they're on at 70mph.....
Regularly see the gantry cameras flash on the M1 when the limit is set at 70. And the M6 for that matter.The days of being able to cruise at 80-85mph on the speedo are well and truly over, at least on these types of roads.
Browter said:
This isn’t a plea for sympathy or excuses, I was speeding, fair enough. Caught by one of the variable speed limit cameras and the letter says speed limit at the time was 70 so not set to a lower speed on the matrix signs. My question is are these getting tighter on the speed you can go through when they are not showing a reduced speed? I’ve used this stretch of M62 for years and must have been going faster on numerous occasions. Are they just randomly set to a value where they will be set off?
A guide used to be 10% +3mph, but it was always a guide in not used across all forces. a genuine 84 has never been 'safe'.
Gweeds said:
I’m confused. 84mph is well over the threshold for prosecution so what were you expecting?
It’s pretty simple. YES I know the speed limit is 70 mph. Do these cameras in the variable speed limit sections of the motorway catch EVERY SINGLE CAR going over 70 exactly when there is no speed shown lower than 70. NO. So my question is what is the threshold. As I explained I have used this section of motorway for years. OMG sometimes I even, god forbid, go through at a speed above 70. Do I get a NOIP every time I go through the cameras over 70. NO. Please, if you’re a member of the self righteous choir boys association don’t bother responding.
I want to know how the speed to trigger it is set, is it variable, is it random, is there some other logic to it.
Edited by Browter on Thursday 3rd August 15:26
Browter said:
It’s pretty simple. YES I know the speed limit is 70 mph. Do these cameras in the variable speed limit sections of the motorway catch EVERY SINGLE CAR going over 70 exactly when there is no speed shown lower than 70. NO. So my question is what is the threshold. As I explained I have used this section of motorway for years. OMG sometimes I even, god forbid, go through at a speed above 70. Do I get a NOIP every time I go through the cameras over 70. NO.
Please, if you’re a member of the self righteous choir boys association don’t bother responding.
I want to know how the speed to trigger it is set, is it variable, is it random, is there some other logic to it.
Because passing any motorway speed camera at 84mph is fairly obviously asking for trouble. No, there is no single trigger point. You're likely to be safe at an indicated 75-77mph but not always. Please, if you’re a member of the self righteous choir boys association don’t bother responding.
I want to know how the speed to trigger it is set, is it variable, is it random, is there some other logic to it.
Edited by Browter on Thursday 3rd August 15:26
Gweeds said:
eldar said:
So is 71mph. Well done for missing the point so obviously and self aggrandisingly.
Except 71mph won't see you pinged. So well done on missing that more obvious point. I know 84 isn’t ‘safe’, and I’m not even asking what a safe speed is. All I want to know is since 84 sets it off one day and not another there is obviously some variation in what it is set to. So what is that variation? Is it gradually being brought down consistently, or is there some other factor, eg it’s lower if there is more traffic and relaxed if there is less. Is it down to some operator who sets it to what they feel like. I’m genuinely curious.
eldar said:
I got your blindingly obvious smartarse point, nothing todo with answering the OP. I'm disappointed you didn't follow up with the speed limit is a limit, not a target.
Have you actually got a point or just on the sauce early today?Maybe day-drinking isn’t the answer for you.
I always work on the idea that anything over 70 on a speedo is a risk, however ive never been done for less than 80, but that is a lee way, not a limit, it would be alot better if they just made a limit and stuck to it, and i think with modern cars/roads etc the motorway should be 85/90 all perfectly safe, but make it a hard limit, as our 70 doesnt seem to be.
Browter said:
I know 84 isn’t ‘safe’, and I’m not even asking what a safe speed is. All I want to know is since 84 sets it off one day and not another there is obviously some variation in what it is set to. So what is that variation? Is it gradually being brought down consistently, or is there some other factor, eg it’s lower if there is more traffic and relaxed if there is less. Is it down to some operator who sets it to what they feel like. I’m genuinely curious.
Honestly I doubt anyone outside those who set them know. Personally I wouldn’t ever risk 84 past one even if I’d got away with it in the past. Same for a police car. Been caught at 80 on the M4 by camera. Also assumed that was a safe speed to dial in the ACC, obviously that was silly. Unless you know the stretch well, probably best NOT to assume the enforced limit is an old wife's tail of 10%+3mph (which seems to date back before the widescale use of cameras).
I suspect people have mis-read Gweeds post.
84 (actual or indicated) is over the prosecution theshold (unless you have a speedo that's over-reading by a lot). If cameras are on and working, you *probably* will find a NIP is making its way to your door.
Sometimes cameras are on, sometimes they are not. Maybe the local speed enforcement authority is doing badly this month on tickets, and so adjusted the cameras to give less tolerance. Maybe the local police have launched a safer driving initiative and need some stats to prove they did something when it comes to PR time.
I doubt anyone here can give a definitive answer to your question.
84 (actual or indicated) is over the prosecution theshold (unless you have a speedo that's over-reading by a lot). If cameras are on and working, you *probably* will find a NIP is making its way to your door.
Sometimes cameras are on, sometimes they are not. Maybe the local speed enforcement authority is doing badly this month on tickets, and so adjusted the cameras to give less tolerance. Maybe the local police have launched a safer driving initiative and need some stats to prove they did something when it comes to PR time.
I doubt anyone here can give a definitive answer to your question.
I would assume that as the need for external revenue increases, the various forces will lower the tolerances on the camera network. I'd be assuming that the old adage is no longer valid, and that if you must consciously break the speed limit (for whatever reason you deem good enough) that you're probably safer not exceeding 75 on any given motorway. With it all being electronic, they can make it whatever they see fit at any time, and because it's above the legal limit of 70, are not duty bound in any way to inform you of said change. So in short, yes, it probably has changed, drive accordingly I suppose.
Gweeds said:
eldar said:
I got your blindingly obvious smartarse point, nothing todo with answering the OP. I'm disappointed you didn't follow up with the speed limit is a limit, not a target.
Have you actually got a point or just on the sauce early today?Maybe day-drinking isn’t the answer for you.
Rivenink said:
I suspect people have mis-read Gweeds post.
84 (actual or indicated) is over the prosecution theshold (unless you have a speedo that's over-reading by a lot). If cameras are on and working, you *probably* will find a NIP is making its way to your door.
It was indeed exactly that. 84 (actual or indicated) is over the prosecution theshold (unless you have a speedo that's over-reading by a lot). If cameras are on and working, you *probably* will find a NIP is making its way to your door.
Thank you.
Eldar, give your head a wobble and let Mum back on the computer.
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