UK Distance selling regulations
UK Distance selling regulations
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55palfers

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6,240 posts

186 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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Quick question please.

Do UK Regs trump USA company specific T&C for product ordered from within UK?

I ordered some shoes from what looked like a UK website with prices shown in sterling. Paid with CC.

Invoice arrives with price in USD so not a UK site.

As you know such a purchase will attract UK VAT and a shippers admin fee.

I immediately emailed to cancel my order. After some time has elapsed they are offering a 25% refund "as a gesture of goodwill" if I cancel.

Any ideas please?

Mark V GTD

2,916 posts

146 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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I would just contact the cc company and say you haven’t got the goods and want to cancel but seller is not refunding.

The teacher

126 posts

125 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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Don't the suppliers have to pay the costs? I know when I buy things from China, all customs charges and vat are added at the point of purchase.

Grumps.

16,779 posts

58 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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It’ll probably have gift written on the box.

TooLateForAName

4,906 posts

206 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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Is it actually USA or (as I suspect) china or india?

55palfers

Original Poster:

6,240 posts

186 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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TooLateForAName said:
Is it actually USA or (as I suspect) china or india?
At the risk of ridicule for my footwear choices..........

https://www.sebagofactorysoutletuk.com/products/me...

bitchstewie

63,762 posts

232 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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The website was registered 2 weeks ago and links back to Kuala Lumpur.

Ignoring your taste in footwear you really might want to brush up on how to spot reputable websites.

Griffith4ever

6,284 posts

57 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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The teacher said:
Don't the suppliers have to pay the costs? I know when I buy things from China, all customs charges and vat are added at the point of purchase.
That's highly unusual for Chinese shippers. The CAN do it, the same as my business CAN pay all the VAT and duty for the recipient when I ship to the EU (I don't). I've not yet experienced a Chinese importer doing this (that doesn't mean they don't of course). Chinese importers normally do one of two things. They just label the package with a value below the VAT / duty threshold, or, you are not really ordering from China, but instead, a drop-shipper somewhere in the UK or EU.

In facts I'm not even sure Chinese importers can do this. I make orders with China along the lines of $30,000 at a time, and I pay "DDU" - all charges paid , delivered to the door, but, I still have to pay HMRC the VAT when they land at the freight forwarders.

To the OP - did you order form a UK regsitered business? if so, distance sellers applies, if not, you were duped, and I'd claim via my card co. Plenty of websites out there pretending to be UK that are not - you need ot check. Usually, if the price is unusually low, scan teh website for shipping terms etc to check where they are.

55palfers

Original Poster:

6,240 posts

186 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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Aha! Thanks Mr Stewie.

I've bought on line from sebago before with no problem, looks just like the site I used. Also came high up Google search results.

CC chargeback then I guess.


Griffith4ever

6,284 posts

57 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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bhstewie said:
The website was registered 2 weeks ago and links back to Kuala Lumpur.

Ignoring your taste in footwear you really might want to brush up on how to spot reputable websites.
That site looks like a UK/EU based drop-shipper (operating from KL). 7-15 days delivery is the clue. Nothing wrong with the shoes. Play nice.

bitchstewie

63,762 posts

232 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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Who am I buying from?

Who am I giving my credit card details to?

48k

16,170 posts

170 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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That website is making my spidey sense tingle. Look At The Terms And Conditions Where Every Word is Capitalized. Actually read them - they don't read like native English, they read like a translation or like they were written by someone whose first language is not English. Look at the length of the delivery and return times. Quite long for a supposed UK based company. The website also doesn't comply with the legal requirements to show the business name and contact details for the legal entity you are dealing with.
Lots of signs there that all is not what it appears TBH.

Grumps.

16,779 posts

58 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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So, what are ‘nest craftspeople’ ?

Yellow Lizud

2,781 posts

186 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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My Norton Security won't even let me click on the link, just says it's a dangerous website.

55palfers

Original Poster:

6,240 posts

186 months

Sunday 6th August 2023
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Just checked my credit card statement and the payment didn't go through as sterling it seems.

There is a £1.79 "Foreign currency fee" showing.

CraigyMc

18,094 posts

258 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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Griffith4ever said:
bhstewie said:
The website was registered 2 weeks ago and links back to Kuala Lumpur.

Ignoring your taste in footwear you really might want to brush up on how to spot reputable websites.
That site looks like a UK/EU based drop-shipper (operating from KL). 7-15 days delivery is the clue. Nothing wrong with the shoes. Play nice.
The registry note says Kuala Lumpur but it's probably mainland chinese. Have a peruse of https://who.is/whois/sebagofactorysoutletuk.com

The scammy website itself is currently being served from pretoria in south africa, but that's practically irrelevant. It's a forged website.
Sebago UK is a trading name of GL Dameck Ltd which is a Scottish company.

@OP -- You should take this up with your Credit Card provider ASAP.

Pro Bono

682 posts

99 months

Monday 7th August 2023
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55palfers said:
TooLateForAName said:
Is it actually USA or (as I suspect) china or india?
At the risk of ridicule for my footwear choices..........

https://www.sebagofactorysoutletuk.com/products/me...
If you only paid £58 the CC company aren't obliged to refund you, as their liability only extends to purchases between £100 and £30,000.

There seem to be a lot of dodgy websites exploiting this. There's several selling those crappy Qinux drones, and if you want to buy extras that take the price over £100 you have to enter into two or more separate transactions, so as to keep each one under the £100 limit (yes, having consumed a few glasses of vino I fell for the ads and bought one!)

I suppose the reason is that if too many customers were able to reclaim payment the CC company would just withdraw the facility.

CraigyMc

18,094 posts

258 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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Pro Bono said:
55palfers said:
TooLateForAName said:
Is it actually USA or (as I suspect) china or india?
At the risk of ridicule for my footwear choices..........

https://www.sebagofactorysoutletuk.com/products/me...
If you only paid £58 the CC company aren't obliged to refund you, as their liability only extends to purchases between £100 and £30,000.

There seem to be a lot of dodgy websites exploiting this. There's several selling those crappy Qinux drones, and if you want to buy extras that take the price over £100 you have to enter into two or more separate transactions, so as to keep each one under the £100 limit (yes, having consumed a few glasses of vino I fell for the ads and bought one!)

I suppose the reason is that if too many customers were able to reclaim payment the CC company would just withdraw the facility.
The £100 minimum is for section 75 refunds. In this case it'll be a chargeback, not section 75.

DavePanda

6,788 posts

256 months

Tuesday 8th August 2023
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55palfers said:
At the risk of ridicule for my footwear choices..........

https://www.sebagofactorysoutletuk.com/products/me...
The fact my virus software blocked the site as a scam says everything you should need to know