Roundabout incident - automatic blame?
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Daughter was going straight on at a standard 4-exit roundabout. Used the right hand lane upon entering roundabout. As she passed the first exit, she indicated left and started to cross the lane to exit roundabout. But idiot entered the roundabout and tried to undertake her around the left lane cutting her off. She managed to stop but they continued to undertake and in doing so, swerved around her but syill clipped her front left corner with their rear right corner.
They were adamnant that daughter was to blame as shouldnt cut across from right lane to make an exit (which is not correct, you can).
But is this one of those automatic blame cases where because the damage is on my front and their rear it is deemed to have been me running into them? Like when people scam you by slamming on the brakes to make you rear-end them?
There is no real damage, only scuff which can polish out, but on principle I'm peeved at it. To top it off we had dash cam footage but daughter didn't realise she needed to save it from been overwritten. So it's gone.
They were adamnant that daughter was to blame as shouldnt cut across from right lane to make an exit (which is not correct, you can).
But is this one of those automatic blame cases where because the damage is on my front and their rear it is deemed to have been me running into them? Like when people scam you by slamming on the brakes to make you rear-end them?
There is no real damage, only scuff which can polish out, but on principle I'm peeved at it. To top it off we had dash cam footage but daughter didn't realise she needed to save it from been overwritten. So it's gone.
I had similar over 20yrs ago. Went 50/50. Muppet going right from the left lane hit the nearside rear wing with the front of their car. We had both entered the roundabout from the same point.
18yr old me may have been a driving with a bit too much enthusiasm, but if they had indicated it would have helped.
18yr old me may have been a driving with a bit too much enthusiasm, but if they had indicated it would have helped.
I'm going to get my popcorn out for this thread.
This brings up the age old debate about roundabouts.
I was taught - using the roadsigns on the approach.
Left hand lane for exits between 6 and 12.
Right hand lane for exits after 12.
Unless road markings or signage dictates otherwise.
My FIL was taught - to choose the approach lane based the number (rather than position) of the exits.
Something like - left for exits 1, 2 and 3. Right for 4 onwards.
Without seeing the roundabout in question. It sounds like your daughter was in the incorrect lane.
This brings up the age old debate about roundabouts.
I was taught - using the roadsigns on the approach.
Left hand lane for exits between 6 and 12.
Right hand lane for exits after 12.
Unless road markings or signage dictates otherwise.
My FIL was taught - to choose the approach lane based the number (rather than position) of the exits.
Something like - left for exits 1, 2 and 3. Right for 4 onwards.
Without seeing the roundabout in question. It sounds like your daughter was in the incorrect lane.
Nibbles_bits said:
It sounds like your daughter was in the incorrect lane.
That's what I'd say...but that's no excuse for somebody else driving like a tool (which is how OP describes it)Sounds to me (without knowing all the facts) that it's just one of those unfortunate things in life.
kryten22uk said:
Moved across lane one towards 12oclock exit but after 9oclock exit. But in mean time someone entered lane 1 at 9oclock and tried to undertake the car indicating that they were exiting.
if two lanes and your daughter moved from lane 2 to lane 1 without looking, then clearly she is at fault. that is why you have two lane roundabouts to stay in lane.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Why did she need to change lane? Was it two lanes into one? (Unusual for two lanes to be marked for straight on if two lanes aren't available at the exit)
for a two lane exit of a roundabout the right lane will "cross" the "left" lane of the roundabout.
https://youtube.com/shorts/nBFFRjO8-ng?
BertBert said:
I agree with this. But overall it will go 50/50 surely?
Presumably. Because their argument could simply be that they were safely on the roundabout and someone came racing around the outside lane and hit the back of their car.Either way, the damage is very minor and entirely superficial and easily buff away the black marks. So I'm thinking it'll just fizzle away with no further correspondence. But then again I could find myself up against a scammer who bills me for a whole new bumper etc.
kryten22uk said:
Daughter was going straight on at a standard 4-exit roundabout. Used the right hand lane upon entering roundabout. As she passed the first exit, she indicated left and started to cross the lane to exit roundabout. But idiot entered the roundabout and tried to undertake her around the left lane cutting her off. She managed to stop but they continued to undertake and in doing so, swerved around her but syill clipped her front left corner with their rear right corner.
They were adamnant that daughter was to blame as shouldnt cut across from right lane to make an exit (which is not correct, you can).
But is this one of those automatic blame cases where because the damage is on my front and their rear it is deemed to have been me running into them? Like when people scam you by slamming on the brakes to make you rear-end them?
There is no real damage, only scuff which can polish out, but on principle I'm peeved at it. To top it off we had dash cam footage but daughter didn't realise she needed to save it from been overwritten. So it's gone.
It is my opinion that the daughter was correct in her actions, all comments so far seem to forget that the requirement of action on entering a roundabout is to give way to traffic already on the roundabout and to give way to traffic coming from the right. They were adamnant that daughter was to blame as shouldnt cut across from right lane to make an exit (which is not correct, you can).
But is this one of those automatic blame cases where because the damage is on my front and their rear it is deemed to have been me running into them? Like when people scam you by slamming on the brakes to make you rear-end them?
There is no real damage, only scuff which can polish out, but on principle I'm peeved at it. To top it off we had dash cam footage but daughter didn't realise she needed to save it from been overwritten. So it's gone.
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"When entering a roundabout
Rule 185
When reaching the roundabout you should
give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining
watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all
look forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off".
Nibbles_bits said:
From Google maps - now looks 50/50
Your daughter didn't check her mirrors before exiting and hit the other car.
The other car clearly didn't give way to a vehicle already on the roundabout.
She did check her mirrors and naturally thought that the car on her left was also turning left. I mean otherwise why would they have joined a roundabout when a car was indicating to exit. Your daughter didn't check her mirrors before exiting and hit the other car.
The other car clearly didn't give way to a vehicle already on the roundabout.
Just for clarity, she didn't "hit" the other car. She saw what was happening and came to a stop but the other car continued and attempted but failed to pass. Hence the scuff.
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