HMCTS Refund - No idea why??

HMCTS Refund - No idea why??

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The Rotrex Kid

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30,620 posts

162 months

Monday 9th October 2023
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My wife was caught speeding in April, fixed camera, bang to rights.

She took the 3 points and paid the fine (I paid the fine hehe ) which was £100.

A few days ago, I got an email from HMCTS saying they were issuing a refund of the £100. No explanation, no context.

I just left it and today recieved the £100 back in my account.

No letter, no contact.

Anyone had the same or any idea before I try and trawl through actually speaking to someone who might have a clue at HMCTS?

agtlaw

6,770 posts

208 months

Monday 9th October 2023
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Usually because £100 fixed penalty paid but driving licence / driver licence number not sent in.

Court proceedings pending via the Single Justice Procedure.


The Rotrex Kid

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30,620 posts

162 months

Monday 9th October 2023
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Thanks AGT, I must not have read the letter properly as I didn’t see anything about sending the license back. Seems archaic to need to do that when there is no paper part and all points are stored electronically?

Edit: sorry just saw the bit about providing the license number, very possible I didn’t do that. What’s your thoughts on the outcome of this from here?

Edited by The Rotrex Kid on Monday 9th October 11:14

Sebring440

2,092 posts

98 months

Monday 9th October 2023
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The Rotrex Kid said:
What’s your thoughts on the outcome of this from here?
agtlaw said:
Court proceedings pending via the Single Justice Procedure.

The Rotrex Kid

Original Poster:

30,620 posts

162 months

Tuesday 10th October 2023
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Super helpful thanks.

Some digging shows it will likely be a Band A fine plus costs. Hopefully not too painful.

Petrus1983

8,965 posts

164 months

Tuesday 10th October 2023
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The Rotrex Kid said:
Super helpful thanks.

Some digging shows it will likely be a Band A fine plus costs. Hopefully not too painful.
Good luck with this one - just think of all the man hours put into sending letters/refunding you etc when they know full well it's all on a computer database anyway!

Lee540

1,586 posts

146 months

Tuesday 10th October 2023
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Yo.

There was a post similar a week or so ago. You needed to post your licence back in.

You will just end up with £100 fine most likely, as per the other thread. I think was something like £70 fine and £30 victim surcharge.



Lee540

1,586 posts

146 months

The Rotrex Kid

Original Poster:

30,620 posts

162 months

Tuesday 10th October 2023
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Thanks Lee thumbup

The Rotrex Kid

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30,620 posts

162 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Bumping this, still not heard a bean about this. Offence was April ‘23, it’s now May (nearly June!) ‘24 and nothing, no letters, no emails, nothing.

Guidance here - https://www.singlejusticeprocedure.co.uk/time-limi...

Says - ‘ How long do the Police have to issue a Single Justice Procedure Notice?
For most offences, the process must be commenced within 6 months. However, that does not mean that you must receive the process within 6 months. It is by no means uncommon for the process to be commenced a week or so before the time expires, and to arrive after the 6 month deadline.’

Guess we just wait (more) and see what happens?

agtlaw

6,770 posts

208 months

Thursday 23rd May
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The Rotrex Kid said:
Bumping this, still not heard a bean about this. Offence was April ‘23, it’s now May (nearly June!) ‘24 and nothing, no letters, no emails, nothing.

Guidance here -

Says - ‘ How long do the Police have to issue a Single Justice Procedure Notice?
For most offences, the process must be commenced within 6 months. However, that does not mean that you must receive the process within 6 months. It is by no means uncommon for the process to be commenced a week or so before the time expires, and to arrive after the 6 month deadline.’

Guess we just wait (more) and see what happens?
I would’t pay much attention to anything on a fake solicitors’ website.

Check your DVLA record online.


The Rotrex Kid

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30,620 posts

162 months

Thursday 23rd May
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agtlaw said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
Bumping this, still not heard a bean about this. Offence was April ‘23, it’s now May (nearly June!) ‘24 and nothing, no letters, no emails, nothing.

Guidance here -

Says - ‘ How long do the Police have to issue a Single Justice Procedure Notice?
For most offences, the process must be commenced within 6 months. However, that does not mean that you must receive the process within 6 months. It is by no means uncommon for the process to be commenced a week or so before the time expires, and to arrive after the 6 month deadline.’

Guess we just wait (more) and see what happens?
I would’t pay much attention to anything on a fake solicitors’ website.

Check your DVLA record online.
Cheers. Checked and still all clear!

agtlaw

6,770 posts

208 months

Thursday 23rd May
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The Rotrex Kid said:
Cheers. Checked and still all clear!
Then don’t worry about this.

Puddenchucker

4,170 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd May
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The Rotrex Kid said:
agtlaw said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
Bumping this, still not heard a bean about this. Offence was April ‘23, it’s now May (nearly June!) ‘24 and nothing, no letters, no emails, nothing.

Guidance here -

Says - ‘ How long do the Police have to issue a Single Justice Procedure Notice?
For most offences, the process must be commenced within 6 months. However, that does not mean that you must receive the process within 6 months. It is by no means uncommon for the process to be commenced a week or so before the time expires, and to arrive after the 6 month deadline.’

Guess we just wait (more) and see what happens?
I would’t pay much attention to anything on a fake solicitors’ website.

Check your DVLA record online.
Cheers. Checked and still all clear!
Yours or your wife's if she was the one nominated on the S172/NIP?

The Rotrex Kid

Original Poster:

30,620 posts

162 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Puddenchucker said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
agtlaw said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
Bumping this, still not heard a bean about this. Offence was April ‘23, it’s now May (nearly June!) ‘24 and nothing, no letters, no emails, nothing.

Guidance here -

Says - ‘ How long do the Police have to issue a Single Justice Procedure Notice?
For most offences, the process must be commenced within 6 months. However, that does not mean that you must receive the process within 6 months. It is by no means uncommon for the process to be commenced a week or so before the time expires, and to arrive after the 6 month deadline.’

Guess we just wait (more) and see what happens?
I would’t pay much attention to anything on a fake solicitors’ website.

Check your DVLA record online.
Cheers. Checked and still all clear!
Yours or your wife's if she was the one nominated on the S172/NIP?
Yes, hers. Mine has points from separate incident m’lud hehe

The Rotrex Kid

Original Poster:

30,620 posts

162 months

Thursday 23rd May
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agtlaw said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
Cheers. Checked and still all clear!
Then don’t worry about this.
Do you think they’ll just let her off then?

Mandat

3,911 posts

240 months

Thursday 23rd May
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The Rotrex Kid said:
Do you think they’ll just let her off then?
Many, many years ago I got a speeding ticket and sent a cheque to cover the fine, however I left the payment rather late.

The cheque was subsequently returned to me, with a cover letter saying that it was sent in too late, and that I would receive further correspondence about the speeding offence.

A further letter then arrived a short while later saying that the ticket was being dropped and that the matter was closed with no further action.

Bit of a result in the end.

TheDrownedApe

1,059 posts

58 months

Thursday 23rd May
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random thought.

There have been occasions where cameras have been ruled to be "non-compliant" when someone has took it all the way to court. If you were caught and prosecuted but later found to be in that clutch of prosecutions that were not viable; would they:

a. Just issue you a refund and wipe the points
b. Inform you of the ruling and ask for refund details
c. Wait for you to chase them

Could this have happened to the OP or am i talking kaka?

mmm-five

11,296 posts

286 months

Thursday 23rd May
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TheDrownedApe said:
c. Wait for you to chase them
...and then dispute it anyway, or tell you you're out of time, or should have not taken the points in the first place and appealed.

martinbiz

3,193 posts

147 months

Thursday 23rd May
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mmm-five said:
TheDrownedApe said:
c. Wait for you to chase them
...and then dispute it anyway, or tell you you're out of time, or should have not taken the points in the first place and appealed.
If the device has since been shown to be defective then taking the points at the time makes no difference to getting it refunded and ccancelled