Sentencing Act 2026
Discussion
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The Sentencing Act 2026 came into effect on Sunday. Courts are now required to avoid custodial sentences of 12 months or less, unless in exceptional circumstances. And may now suspend sentences of up to 3 years (up from 2).
Tough on crime?
Full details on Google.
A search on the BBC News website reveals no mention.
The Sentencing Act 2026 came into effect on Sunday. Courts are now required to avoid custodial sentences of 12 months or less, unless in exceptional circumstances. And may now suspend sentences of up to 3 years (up from 2).
Tough on crime?
Full details on Google.
A search on the BBC News website reveals no mention.
_Rodders_ said:
Jailing people for a few weeks does seem very pointless.
For none violent offences I'd fine people a percentage of their net worth, I'd make it very painful, they'd wish they could do a few months in prison.
Prison does not work. It is not a deterrent. It does not rehabilitate. Re-offending rates are woeful. For none violent offences I'd fine people a percentage of their net worth, I'd make it very painful, they'd wish they could do a few months in prison.
Society needs to find another way to change the outcomes.
Pit Pony said:
_Rodders_ said:
Jailing people for a few weeks does seem very pointless.
For none violent offences I'd fine people a percentage of their net worth, I'd make it very painful, they'd wish they could do a few months in prison.
Prison does not work. It is not a deterrent. It does not rehabilitate. Re-offending rates are woeful. For none violent offences I'd fine people a percentage of their net worth, I'd make it very painful, they'd wish they could do a few months in prison.
Society needs to find another way to change the outcomes.
If you were a victim of crime, would you rather hear - “well we didn t send the offender to jail, but we are going to send him on some courses so hopefully he won t do it again” or, - “well he s been sentenced to a year in prison, he won t serve all of that sentence inside, but he has had his liberty taken away for six months, will highly likely lose his livelihood (if he even had one), and his life is likely to be very difficult from now on” .
Continue to make bad decisions and spiral into a life of criminal activity? Tough s
t, you should be dealt with accordingly. Edited by Jinba Ittai on Wednesday 25th March 07:07
Edited by Jinba Ittai on Wednesday 25th March 07:09
Jinba Ittai said:
Pit Pony said:
_Rodders_ said:
Jailing people for a few weeks does seem very pointless.
For none violent offences I'd fine people a percentage of their net worth, I'd make it very painful, they'd wish they could do a few months in prison.
Prison does not work. It is not a deterrent. It does not rehabilitate. Re-offending rates are woeful. For none violent offences I'd fine people a percentage of their net worth, I'd make it very painful, they'd wish they could do a few months in prison.
Society needs to find another way to change the outcomes.
If you were a victim of crime, would you rather hear well we didn t send the offender to jail, but we are going to send him on some courses so hopefully he won t do it again or well he s been sentenced to a year in prison, he won t serve all of that sentence inside, but he has had his liberty taken away for six months, will highly likely lose his livelihood (if he even had one), and his life is likely to be very difficult from now on .
Continue to make bad decisions and spiral into a life of criminal activity? Tough s
t, you should be dealt with accordingly. Edited by Jinba Ittai on Wednesday 25th March 07:07
Given the MoJ has been gutted and still has not recovered from the massive budgets cuts of the 2010 era, I would rather they spend the £55k per prisoner on getting the courts services back up and running effectively.
Prison spending is massive, even excepting recent capital investment.
I'm not advocating constant suspended sentences for the most egregious offenders, but for firs t and second offences, a suspended is probably going to deliver a better outcome in terms of re-offending and cost to the public purse.
Rory Stewart made some interesting observations in his book, from when he was Justice Minister - that prison governors tend to see short sentence prisoners as a drain on manpower and achieving little. I only know one ex governor and her view was that for many with a short sentence, it delivers little to any party and that the ideal outcome is for someone to be able to be a fully functioning tax payer, which prison is not going to deliver. Her view was that prison should be the reserve of the serial and serious offender and not, as she put it, a place for indifferent people who did a bad thing.
The Mad Monk said:
Pit Pony said:
Prison does not work. It is not a deterrent. It does not rehabilitate. Re-offending rates are woeful.
Society needs to find another way to change the outcomes.
What about re-introducing capital punishment?Society needs to find another way to change the outcomes.
The figures for preventing re-offending are pretty good.
Castrol for a knave said:
Given the MoJ has been gutted and still has not recovered from the massive budgets cuts of the 2010 era, I would rather they spend the £55k per prisoner on getting the courts services back up and running effectively.
Prison spending is massive, even excepting recent capital investment.
I'm not advocating constant suspended sentences for the most egregious offenders, but for firs t and second offences, a suspended is probably going to deliver a better outcome in terms of re-offending and cost to the public purse.
Rory Stewart made some interesting observations in his book, from when he was Justice Minister - that prison governors tend to see short sentence prisoners as a drain on manpower and achieving little. I only know one ex governor and her view was that for many with a short sentence, it delivers little to any party and that the ideal outcome is for someone to be able to be a fully functioning tax payer, which prison is not going to deliver. Her view was that prison should be the reserve of the serial and serious offender and not, as she put it, a place for indifferent people who did a bad thing.
So.... Workhouses?Prison spending is massive, even excepting recent capital investment.
I'm not advocating constant suspended sentences for the most egregious offenders, but for firs t and second offences, a suspended is probably going to deliver a better outcome in terms of re-offending and cost to the public purse.
Rory Stewart made some interesting observations in his book, from when he was Justice Minister - that prison governors tend to see short sentence prisoners as a drain on manpower and achieving little. I only know one ex governor and her view was that for many with a short sentence, it delivers little to any party and that the ideal outcome is for someone to be able to be a fully functioning tax payer, which prison is not going to deliver. Her view was that prison should be the reserve of the serial and serious offender and not, as she put it, a place for indifferent people who did a bad thing.
Terminator X said:
The UK, not tough on crime?
TX.
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can send more people to prison?TX.
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more police officers on the streets?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have a fully functioning judiciary?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more social workers so we can intervene in dysfunctional families?
Do you see a pattern emerging?
Edited by LRDefender on Wednesday 25th March 10:16
LRDefender said:
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can send more people to prison?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more police officers on the streets?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have a fully functioning judiciary?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more social workers so we can intervene in dysfunctional families?
Do you see a pattern emerging?
Or cut other spending. If Ecuador can do it why can't we.As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more police officers on the streets?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have a fully functioning judiciary?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more social workers so we can intervene in dysfunctional families?
Do you see a pattern emerging?
Edited by LRDefender on Wednesday 25th March 10:16
P675 said:
The Mad Monk said:
What about re-introducing capital punishment?
The figures for preventing re-offending are pretty good.
I'm thinking if you have a 3rd prison sentence you get ground into paste instead.The figures for preventing re-offending are pretty good.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yw3d3115zo
P675 said:
LRDefender said:
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can send more people to prison?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more police officers on the streets?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have a fully functioning judiciary?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more social workers so we can intervene in dysfunctional families?
Do you see a pattern emerging?
Or cut other spending. If Ecuador can do it why can't we.As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more police officers on the streets?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have a fully functioning judiciary?
As a nation are we prepared to pay more in tax so we can have more social workers so we can intervene in dysfunctional families?
Do you see a pattern emerging?
Edited by LRDefender on Wednesday 25th March 10:16
We need to start understanding that we can't keep demanding stuff if we want lower taxes.
We need Gov to spend our tax money (much) better but everything costs a lot of money. Just look at the topics being discussed on PH's at the moment - more Navy, more missiles, more fighter jets, more army, less immigration, more power generation, less potholes, better mental health provision, more police, more traffic police etc. etc. etc.....
Where does the money come from?
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