Dangerous Driving NIP
Discussion
Your son is going to have to return the NIP to fulfil his obligations and then a further NIP will be issued to your wife with her details on, she will have to complete the document and return it to confirm she was the driver at the time.
It is then a waiting game for further paperwork to come through though it may cause someone to review the details again when they get informed a 50 year old female was the driver of the car.
It may be as an aside that someone else present other than Police has been filming and has sent the recording to the Police through operation Snap.
I am guessing at this point but I suspect the chances are they have issued NIP's to all identifiable vehicles on whatever footage they have to fulfil their obligations of issuing NIP's within 14 days of the offence and any investigation is still ongoing
It is then a waiting game for further paperwork to come through though it may cause someone to review the details again when they get informed a 50 year old female was the driver of the car.
It may be as an aside that someone else present other than Police has been filming and has sent the recording to the Police through operation Snap.
I am guessing at this point but I suspect the chances are they have issued NIP's to all identifiable vehicles on whatever footage they have to fulfil their obligations of issuing NIP's within 14 days of the offence and any investigation is still ongoing
Worrying about nothing, its a blanket trawl of NIPs to gather details before they even decide what to do. NPAS alone won't be sufficient for prosecution, they would need ground asset and corroborative evidence to prosecute, and to get a prosecution for dangerous the threshold is seriously high.
This is all a non problem, just explain the above, case closed.
This is all a non problem, just explain the above, case closed.
Ubiquitous2024 said:
Worrying about nothing, its a blanket trawl of NIPs to gather details before they even decide what to do. NPAS alone won't be sufficient for prosecution, they would need ground asset and corroborative evidence to prosecute, and to get a prosecution for dangerous the threshold is seriously high.
This is all a non problem, just explain the above, case closed.
It makes my day when a decent man makes an intelligent , reasoned and accurate comment on here without rushing to judge others .This is all a non problem, just explain the above, case closed.
Well done mate .
_Rodders_ said:
Sounds like a pain but surely they're going to have to produce evidence at some point. Assuming there is none it'll go away at that point I would have thought.
They'll just make it up. Like they did to this guy (who won on his day at court): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHc_i9OSb4AStick Legs said:
I'm going to no doubt get some stick for this but...
Nice try getting some 'corroborating evidence' for your noble but misguided attempt to get your son off the hook for hooning about in his car.
Have you looked up the consequences of 'perverting the course of justice'?
Your nasty. The actions the OP took are totally in line with parents trying their best to support a son struggling with life.Nice try getting some 'corroborating evidence' for your noble but misguided attempt to get your son off the hook for hooning about in his car.
Have you looked up the consequences of 'perverting the course of justice'?
You are of course welcome to that point of view but it was going through my mind also.
As long as the is evidence in the video / images or whatever she was driving then of course all fine. However just bear in mind the police will think the same as many on here. 54 year old mums don't typically drive to car meets and then why would she take his car as opposed to her own ?
As long as the is evidence in the video / images or whatever she was driving then of course all fine. However just bear in mind the police will think the same as many on here. 54 year old mums don't typically drive to car meets and then why would she take his car as opposed to her own ?
There isn t an option on here to give you a like . So I hope this will do instead.
Mental illness is a hidden, corrosive thing that affects many, many more of us that will be prepared to admit it.
If more people had the understanding and gave the support that it looks like you and your wife do, the world would be a considerably better place.
Mental illness is a hidden, corrosive thing that affects many, many more of us that will be prepared to admit it.
If more people had the understanding and gave the support that it looks like you and your wife do, the world would be a considerably better place.
But still remember OP that as your wife wasn't driving dangerously, there can't be any evidence that she was.
For any suspicion plod have that your wife was not driving, there is no proof that your son was driving.
A very unhappy event to have to deal with especially with your son's current mental health, but stay calm and deal with any steps that come along with legal advice as needed.
Ping Agtlaw and see if it's the kind of thing he deals with.
For any suspicion plod have that your wife was not driving, there is no proof that your son was driving.
A very unhappy event to have to deal with especially with your son's current mental health, but stay calm and deal with any steps that come along with legal advice as needed.
Ping Agtlaw and see if it's the kind of thing he deals with.
Ubiquitous2024 said:
Stick Legs said:
Your nasty. The actions the OP took are totally in line with parents trying their best to support a son struggling with life.Andy665 said:
Well, I expected at least one "knob" comment and you have delivered
You have elaborated further on the details, which you have my sympathy for, genuinely.My comment is what my first impression was, and for that I won't apologise.
The Police have form for 'fishing expeditions' like this and it is a pity if that is the case on this occasion due to the stress caused, however if what you say is true then will be no corroborating evidence, and therefore no need for concern. They cannot prosecute on a whim, and you have a right to ignore a FPN and attend court.
If the Police have no evidence you will not end up before a magistrate.
OP I'm really sorry to hear about your son's problems. It just goes to show that the risks of young people driving, and having accidents (in this case leading to your son's friend getting killed), doesn't just affect those individuals but can have a much wider impact. I hope your son is OK.
I'm a little concerned that in your first post the implication was that your wife did ALL the driving however in your last post it appears that your son also drove, or am I missing something? If the latter is true then you will need to ascertain exactly who was driving at the time of the NIP.
I'm a little concerned that in your first post the implication was that your wife did ALL the driving however in your last post it appears that your son also drove, or am I missing something? If the latter is true then you will need to ascertain exactly who was driving at the time of the NIP.
Edited by Enut on Saturday 20th June 18:17
Andy665 said:
....my wife decided to let him go with her in attendance purely to give me a break. He did some of the driving, she said that there were no concerns, since he lost his best friend in a car accident he tends to be pretty sensible behind the wheel, he has seen the consequences. She also did some of the driving.....
That seems to have changed slightly since your original post. It may well be the case that it's a fishing expedition and they have no evidence, but it doesn't seem that you can claim it was only your wife driving
Andy665 said:
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He did some of the driving, she said that there were no concerns, since he lost his best friend in a car accident he tends to be pretty sensible behind the wheel, he has seen the consequences. She also did some of the driving and the moment she realised that the comings and goings of other people, especially whilst driving between the "stop" points was getting a little concerning she removed them from the environment.
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Needless to say, it will be important to determine who was driving at the time/place stated on the NIP.He did some of the driving, she said that there were no concerns, since he lost his best friend in a car accident he tends to be pretty sensible behind the wheel, he has seen the consequences. She also did some of the driving and the moment she realised that the comings and goings of other people, especially whilst driving between the "stop" points was getting a little concerning she removed them from the environment.
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You have my sympathy, you made a good decision as his parents, and your wife appears to have continued making good decisions in the situation she was in.
Hope it all works out.
For the more knowledgeable: Is there a way for this to result in a section 59 notice against the son's car, even if the dangerous driving accusation is shown to be bunk?
As the situation has been presented, it doesn't make me think too highly of the police or their approach to these things.
Hope it all works out.
For the more knowledgeable: Is there a way for this to result in a section 59 notice against the son's car, even if the dangerous driving accusation is shown to be bunk?
As the situation has been presented, it doesn't make me think too highly of the police or their approach to these things.
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