20 mph limit but no signs?

[matchmaker]

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but thought I'd run it by the PH collective anyway. Several main roads in Stirling have had 20 mph limits put in place. On one of them there are no 20 mph signs at the entry to it, although it has 20 mph painted on the road. There are 30 mph signs leaving it at the other end, and entering at this end there are 20 mph signs. Legal limit or not? You have to take account that those responsible for administering the roads in the City of Stirling come across as clueless tts who want to force motorists off the road and onto bicycles!

[Pica-Pica]

matchmaker said:

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but thought I'd run it by the PH collective anyway. Several main roads in Stirling have had 20 mph limits put in place. On one of them there are no 20 mph signs at the entry to it, although it has 20 mph painted on the road. There are 30 mph signs leaving it at the other end, and entering at this end there are 20 mph signs. Legal limit or not? You have to take account that those responsible for administering the roads in the City of Stirling come across as clueless tts who want to force motorists off the road and onto bicycles!

My understanding is: if there are not any speed limit signs on entry, and there are street lights, then it is 30mph; except in Wales where that would be a 20mph limit with street lights and no signage (although there is usually signage, but by law there does not have to be). AIUI the marked numbers on the road have no priority over upright speed signs (or lack of - excepting the presence of street lights)

[E-bmw]

matchmaker said:

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but thought I'd run it by the PH collective anyway. Several main roads in Stirling have had 20 mph limits put in place. On one of them there are no 20 mph signs at the entry to it, although it has 20 mph painted on the road. There are 30 mph signs leaving it at the other end, and entering at this end there are 20 mph signs. Legal limit or not? You have to take account that those responsible for administering the roads in the City of Stirling come across as clueless tts who want to force motorists off the road and onto bicycles!

Could easily be some nice person has removed it.

It is 20mph, but feel free to ignore it if you like and risk whether it is legal or not.

[matchmaker]

E-bmw said:

matchmaker said:

I suspect I know the answer to this already, but thought I'd run it by the PH collective anyway. Several main roads in Stirling have had 20 mph limits put in place. On one of them there are no 20 mph signs at the entry to it, although it has 20 mph painted on the road. There are 30 mph signs leaving it at the other end, and entering at this end there are 20 mph signs. Legal limit or not? You have to take account that those responsible for administering the roads in the City of Stirling come across as clueless tts who want to force motorists off the road and onto bicycles!

Could easily be some nice person has removed it.

It is 20mph, but feel free to ignore it if you like and risk whether it is legal or not.

It wasn't removed as it never existed!

[QJumper]

My understanding (from my last speed awareness course) is that if it's just painted on the road, with no accompanying repeater siignposts, then it's just an advisory speed limit, not a legal one.

[IJWS15]

Is it a 20 zone? Signing in zones is different and repeaters are replaced with traffic calming measures.