Parking, can we do anything?
Discussion
My workplace is on an industrial estate, nothing new there. We have parking, not enough but again not a big deal.
The road is fairly wide, we have a lot of deliveries and artic' trucks curtain sides etc. they cannot get into the yard as then yard is noit big enough so they are loaded from the drive, again no big deal.
What is a big deal is this...
some selfish git, either nearby or anywhere clearly is either storing white vans or simply using the roadside opposite us and nearby as storage, this morning there were 12 of them parked on every space left and right of our workplace, the lorries can still access, they are not parking illegally, but I have not checked MOT and tax.
I presume this is either storage or a courier or they are vans awaiting sale or perhaps dismantling, as some of them are pretty rough. A lot have been parked there for months, some are used at times.
Is there anything we can do as a firm, as I say not parked illegally but simply taking up EVERY single road space for the 4 or 5 companies around us leaving their employees nowhere to park. This is not a private road, but it is a bus route and used by several companies, roughly 30 odd on the estate, it is a sort of ring road. East and west access tot he same road
The road is fairly wide, we have a lot of deliveries and artic' trucks curtain sides etc. they cannot get into the yard as then yard is noit big enough so they are loaded from the drive, again no big deal.
What is a big deal is this...
some selfish git, either nearby or anywhere clearly is either storing white vans or simply using the roadside opposite us and nearby as storage, this morning there were 12 of them parked on every space left and right of our workplace, the lorries can still access, they are not parking illegally, but I have not checked MOT and tax.
I presume this is either storage or a courier or they are vans awaiting sale or perhaps dismantling, as some of them are pretty rough. A lot have been parked there for months, some are used at times.
Is there anything we can do as a firm, as I say not parked illegally but simply taking up EVERY single road space for the 4 or 5 companies around us leaving their employees nowhere to park. This is not a private road, but it is a bus route and used by several companies, roughly 30 odd on the estate, it is a sort of ring road. East and west access tot he same road
Might be worth having a read of this to see if any of the conditions apply…
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/abandoned-vehicles-cou...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/abandoned-vehicles-cou...
That Wirral thing is literally what it is like, most vans stay where they are, so a couple of posts here might be of use, but this is a busy estate, a bus route and this route should be used for staff parking, they are parking on pathways etc at the moment, I am sure some of these crap vans are not MOT'd and taxed either, sadly I cannot find out who the damn owner is, I would bet whoever it is owns all of them
bergclimber34 said:
That Wirral thing is literally what it is like, most vans stay where they are, so a couple of posts here might be of use, but this is a busy estate, a bus route and this route should be used for staff parking, they are parking on pathways etc at the moment, I am sure some of these crap vans are not MOT'd and taxed either, sadly I cannot find out who the damn owner is, I would bet whoever it is owns all of them
if they are left there you can go down the abandoned route - this allows you to contact the dvla for owner information and then if still there, the council has an obligation to deal with it - details should be on your council website…We had a car parked on our main road for weeks on end, perhaps one month, causing issues eg having to stop behind it when other cars were coming, that then causing queues etc. I did call the Police and they could not give one f
k about it. I found that fairly surprising to be fair.
TX.
k about it. I found that fairly surprising to be fair.TX.
Are the estate roads marked as Public Highway on the local Highway Authorities highway records / definitive map?
There might be a map on the website to give indicative status / highway boundaries.
If it is public highway, you could request parking restrictions be put in to stop continuous parking, but it is likely to also screw over the employees without on-site parking, so it is a double-edged sword...
If it is not public highway, you can confirm the landowner via Land Registry - although I imagine it would be the same as the estate owners - and request they deal with the matter, with or without private parking restrictions and enforcement (which would definitely screw employees over, going from a million internet posts about private parking firms!).
They might NGAF unless your company and others are actively saying they will move elsewhere and leave the owners with less rent coming in, but it could be worth an ask.
There might be a map on the website to give indicative status / highway boundaries.
If it is public highway, you could request parking restrictions be put in to stop continuous parking, but it is likely to also screw over the employees without on-site parking, so it is a double-edged sword...
If it is not public highway, you can confirm the landowner via Land Registry - although I imagine it would be the same as the estate owners - and request they deal with the matter, with or without private parking restrictions and enforcement (which would definitely screw employees over, going from a million internet posts about private parking firms!).
They might NGAF unless your company and others are actively saying they will move elsewhere and leave the owners with less rent coming in, but it could be worth an ask.
I forgot to say - first thing to do would be check if they are taxed and insured. If they are not, they might get clamped and removed if DVLA (or whoever it is dealing with enforcement) are made aware.
I'm not sure if this is complicated by a road not being Public Highway - it would seem arguable that it is a place generally used by the public (like a Tesco car park is) despite being Private, in which case (AIUI) Tax and MOT and Insurance requirements apply.
I'm not sure if this is complicated by a road not being Public Highway - it would seem arguable that it is a place generally used by the public (like a Tesco car park is) despite being Private, in which case (AIUI) Tax and MOT and Insurance requirements apply.
E63eeeeee... said:
Interesting to read those problems were caused by renters including the council returning them early, presumably due to economic reasons.I wonder if the same sort of event is at play in the OPs scenario?
What would be ironic, is that someone is parking them all there deliberately blocking the road in response to an unknown complaint about the lorry’s unloading or other gripe. Although it’s an unlikely scenario.
RSTurboPaul said:
I forgot to say - first thing to do would be check if they are taxed and insured. If they are not, they might get clamped and removed if DVLA (or whoever it is dealing with enforcement) are made aware.
I'm not sure if this is complicated by a road not being Public Highway - it would seem arguable that it is a place generally used by the public (like a Tesco car park is) despite being Private, in which case (AIUI) Tax and MOT and Insurance requirements apply.
Insurance yes, but I thought VED was only needed on roads "maintained at public expense".I'm not sure if this is complicated by a road not being Public Highway - it would seem arguable that it is a place generally used by the public (like a Tesco car park is) despite being Private, in which case (AIUI) Tax and MOT and Insurance requirements apply.
Do any of the following highway code rules apply and or help?
Parking at night (rules 248 to 252)
Rule 248
You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.
Rule 249
All vehicles MUST display parking lights when parked on a road or a lay-by on a road with a speed limit greater than 30 mph (48 km/h).
Rule 250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 2500 kg laden weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are:
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by.
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
Parking at night (rules 248 to 252)
Rule 248
You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.
Rule 249
All vehicles MUST display parking lights when parked on a road or a lay-by on a road with a speed limit greater than 30 mph (48 km/h).
Rule 250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 2500 kg laden weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are:
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by.
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
There doesn't seem an easy way to report no insurance.
We have somebody on an adjacent road who was regularly dumping a knackered old car or a transit van outside our house for weeks at a time. At least the van was uninsured - but there is no option for that if you report an abandoned vehicle, and you apparently report it online to local police - but ours had no option for that.
In the end, my wife said she was going to go and tell him to move his van and stop dumping it here. I told her it was a waste of time - he would just tell her it was a public road, and he was allowed to park there.
Seems I was wrong. Apparently - he did object, argued that he was not "dumping" his car / van here - but two hours later, moved his van and it hasn't been back since.
We have somebody on an adjacent road who was regularly dumping a knackered old car or a transit van outside our house for weeks at a time. At least the van was uninsured - but there is no option for that if you report an abandoned vehicle, and you apparently report it online to local police - but ours had no option for that.
In the end, my wife said she was going to go and tell him to move his van and stop dumping it here. I told her it was a waste of time - he would just tell her it was a public road, and he was allowed to park there.
Seems I was wrong. Apparently - he did object, argued that he was not "dumping" his car / van here - but two hours later, moved his van and it hasn't been back since.
All interesting stuff, I think whoever is doing it is fairly savvy and upon further inspection earlier, I think they are either unwanted vans or spares vans, as some of them have flat tyres, a couple have open rear doors, one or two get used. I have not heard anything back yet from authorities. Also, they are bumper to bumper to cram more in and I imagine it is done at night. I am guessing juts some guy buying them and using them now and then but largely for spares, often ahve bits missing with some space at a lockup but not enough, but to do this is bang out of order on a busy road and a bus route. It makes truck manouevers and staff parking tricky
I also found out today our goods in manager knows of at least 3 of them that have been hit by trucks so tight is it.
I also found out today our goods in manager knows of at least 3 of them that have been hit by trucks so tight is it.
bergclimber34 said:
All interesting stuff, I think whoever is doing it is fairly savvy and upon further inspection earlier, I think they are either unwanted vans or spares vans, as some of them have flat tyres, a couple have open rear doors, one or two get used. I have not heard anything back yet from authorities. Also, they are bumper to bumper to cram more in and I imagine it is done at night. I am guessing juts some guy buying them and using them now and then but largely for spares, often ahve bits missing with some space at a lockup but not enough, but to do this is bang out of order on a busy road and a bus route. It makes truck manouevers and staff parking tricky
I also found out today our goods in manager knows of at least 3 of them that have been hit by trucks so tight is it.
Looks like you have found the solution.....I also found out today our goods in manager knows of at least 3 of them that have been hit by trucks so tight is it.
1: Get the local council app on your smartphone.
2: Go take pics on your app from them it has a section to report illegal parking!
Most councils have these apps nowadays. Within minutes they send some parking attendants to dish tickets out! Where I live in London people who do not even live here keep dumping white vans & other vehicles for days on end...once I started to use the councils report a parking problem app they stopped doing it after getting a few tickets on the windscreen!
Most places require you pay to park.......doubt the white van owners are doing that then if no tax or insurance they will not want the hassle dealing with that!
2: Go take pics on your app from them it has a section to report illegal parking!
Most councils have these apps nowadays. Within minutes they send some parking attendants to dish tickets out! Where I live in London people who do not even live here keep dumping white vans & other vehicles for days on end...once I started to use the councils report a parking problem app they stopped doing it after getting a few tickets on the windscreen!
Most places require you pay to park.......doubt the white van owners are doing that then if no tax or insurance they will not want the hassle dealing with that!
...also if parked on the pavement leaving no room for pedestrians (wheelchair users, mobility scooters, prams etc etc) to get by the police will actually attend & arrange for them to be removed as it breaks the highway code! Rule 242!
Rule 242
You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 22 & CUR reg 103
Rule 242
You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 22 & CUR reg 103
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