NPCC guidelines and 10%

[Zico]

Do forces adhere to this?

Was driving in a 50 and noticed I was showing 54-55 on my speedo - would be in the Northumbria area. Asked on a local group and got a mixed set of replies.

[BertBert]

Yes

[TheDrownedApe]

Yes.

(Commenting so the set can be defined better)

[cashmax]

Showing 54-55 on your speedo is likely to be a true speed of 50-51 in the first place.

[Dashnine]

Zico said:

Do forces adhere to this?

Was driving in a 50 and noticed I was showing 54-55 on my speedo - would be in the Northumbria area. Asked on a local group and got a mixed set of replies.

Just to define the original question a little further:

Do all forces adhere to this?

[Zico]

cashmax said:

Showing 54-55 on your speedo is likely to be a true speed of 50-51 in the first place.

Does that make a difference? What speed are they likely to prosecute for?

[2020vision]

Zico said:

Do forces adhere to this?

Was driving in a 50 and noticed I was showing 54-55 on my speedo - would be in the Northumbria area. Asked on a local group and got a mixed set of replies.

First thing to say is that the NPCC guidance for speed enforcement thresholds is not +10%

The guidance is it is expected that enforcement begins as soon as "The speed Limit +10% +2 mph" is reached.

You just missed off the +2 mph to the +10%.

Do the police stick to the guidance?
Generally yes, they do not enforce at speeds below this threshold. They could start at a higher threshold if they so wish.

It is also the case, and in the guidelines that speeds below the minimum prosecution action speed can be used is some circumstances. These need to be justified by the officer using a speed below the SP +10% +2 mph. This is seldom ever used and is certainly not used in routine operations, as the guidance clearly states.

If someone says they have a ticket for 32 mph in a 30 mph speed limit, they are either untruthful, mistaken or have altered the ticket. I have seen at least one altered ticket where someone put a false speed on it.

You may get more opinions, but this is your answer I would claim.

Edited by 2020vision on Thursday 5th June 09:06

[Zico]

cashmax said:

Showing 54-55 on your speedo is likely to be a true speed of 50-51 in the first place.

Does that make a difference? What speed are they likely to prosecute for?

[Yellow Lizud]

Zico said:

cashmax said:

Showing 54-55 on your speedo is likely to be a true speed of 50-51 in the first place.

Does that make a difference? What speed are they likely to prosecute for?

Yes, Northumbria have a very sophisticated system whereby they can read the cars' speedo so don't need to worry about the actual speed you were travelling at.

Did you see a police car, speed trap, or camera?

[Zico]

Camera Van 2 days in a row - i was definitely between 52-56 (absolute maximum).

[Sebring440]

Zico said:

Camera Van 2 days in a row - i was definitely between 52-56 (absolute maximum).

56mph on the second day?

[Zico]

Absolute maximum - that was on my speedo too not on Waze.

[MustangGT]

2020vision said:

First thing to say is that the NPCC guidance for speed enforcement thresholds is not +10%

The guidance is it is expected that enforcement begins as soon as "The speed Limit +10% +2 mph" is reached.

You just missed off the +2 mph to the +10%.

Do the police stick to the guidance?
Generally yes, they do not enforce at speeds below this threshold. They could start at a higher threshold if they so wish.

It is also the case, and in the guidelines that speeds below the minimum prosecution action speed can be used is some circumstances. These need to be justified by the officer using a speed below the SP +10% +2 mph. This is seldom ever used and is certainly not used in routine operations, as the guidance clearly states.

If someone says they have a ticket for 32 mph in a 30 mph speed limit, they are either untruthful, mistaken or have altered the ticket. I have seen at least one altered ticket where someone put a false speed on it.

You may get more opinions, but this is your answer I would claim.

Edited by 2020vision on Thursday 5th June 09:06

Exactly this.

[Zico]

Absolute maximum - that was on my speedo too not on Waze.

[BertBert]

Zico said:

Absolute maximum - that was on my speedo too not on Waze.

You won't hear from them. 56 is below the threshold and your actual speed is extremely likely to be less than 56

[Zico]

Bizarrely a few people at work are telling me the 10% thing is a myth and one colleague is swearing she got done for 52 in a 50?

[MustangGT]

Zico said:

Bizarrely a few people at work are telling me the 10% thing is a myth and one colleague is swearing she got done for 52 in a 50?

Ask her to prove it, produce the paperwork etc.

This has come up many times on PH, nobody has ever proved a claim like that.

[Sebring440]

Zico said:

Absolute maximum - that was on my speedo too not on Waze.

My point was, it was the second day.

As you were aware there could be a camera there, you'd have thought you'd be poodling along at 48mph....

[Zico]

This. Massive lesson learned.

I very much rarely if ever tip over the limit - I’m normally 27-28 in a 30 and never really over 40, 50,60,70 etc.

I was just stupid and it’s ridiculous that I did the same thing less than 24 hours later. I have OCD too which makes it worse.

[Zico]

This. Massive lesson learned.

I very much rarely if ever tip over the limit - I’m normally 27-28 in a 30 and never really over 40, 50,60,70 etc.

I was just stupid and it’s ridiculous that I did the same thing less than 24 hours later. I have OCD too which makes it worse.