Do mobile networks get switched off for police security?
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It wouldn't surprise me . Some of our Policemen and other Apologists will be along in a minute to tell you how you benefitted . I seldom visit Central London nowadays . I used to enjoy driving the Jaguar XJ up to Crombie and buying an Overcoat then around the corner into Saville Row . I was only a Brickie on a Building site but they were great days especially with a couple of mates alongside . I don't want to turn this into a Political thread but many of us are incensed about whats happened to London and the rest of the Country .
It wouldn't surprise me . Some of our Policemen and other Apologists will be along in a minute to tell you how you benefitted . I seldom visit Central London nowadays . I used to enjoy driving the Jaguar XJ up to Crombie and buying an Overcoat then around the corner into Saville Row . I was only a Brickie on a Building site but they were great days especially with a couple of mates alongside . I don't want to turn this into a Political thread but many of us are incensed about whats happened to London and the rest of the Country .
Jesus Christ, some people...
Have you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
Have you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
Peterpetrole said:
I was in Central London yesterday, turned out be near a protest march. No phone signal at all in the area, for me or looked like loads of other people.
Do phone masts get switched off deliberately around protest marches to disrupt things?
Could it be lots of people all trying to use their phones and overwhelming the local masts? I’ve had problems when leaving concerts or football games…Do phone masts get switched off deliberately around protest marches to disrupt things?
Mammasaid said:
Jesus Christ, some people...
Have you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
Yes, this.Have you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
Mammasaid said:
Jesus Christ, some people...
Have you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
Agreed. Thousands of extra people in a small area and people wonder why some people can't get a service.Have you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
The state don't control the networks. They are run by companies, owned by shareholders. The police don't have the access or capability to turn bits of the networks off.
If you truly think they do then become a shareholder and raise it at the shareholders meeting.
Not that this was necessarily the case here, but there is a procedure for prioritising access to emergency services.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTPAS
In the case I suspect was just too many people trying to use the network
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTPAS
In the case I suspect was just too many people trying to use the network
Mammasaid said:
Jesus Christ, some people...
Have you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
Would still likely show bars as the phone is camped on the network, just when you want service you don’t get anyHave you never been to a concert or a sporting fixture, where thousands of people are trying to connect to the same mast at once?
Same principle here, network is overloaded, therefore people can't connect, or if they can it's at a very reduced rate.
No tinfoil hat required.
Zero bars in a place you’d expect service is different behaviour and potentially intentional configuration.
Or, the OP was just in a dead spot because urban environments are hard.
98elise said:
The police don't have the access or capability to turn bits of the networks off.
They very much can ask and I presume there are playbooks agreed with operatorsDetails on access classes here. Note: 12 years old and I’ve not read the specs for about that long as I don’t do telecomms anymore so it may have changed.
https://blog.3g4g.co.uk/2013/05/access-class-barri...
Access classes barring is _usually_ used as a strategy to reduce congestion on the RACH in very congested environments. But, trivial to say “only users of class x allowed” and everyone else will show no service (the phone will read the system information broadcast and not even try)
Park of the makeup of data sent from handset to network and vice versa is a flag for a 'priority sim'. It's technically possible.
I suspect it's not used very often at all, and would not be for something is routine such as a demonstration at the moment. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future with EE's ESN contract when Airwave retires. 5G may be part of the answer is it's possible to partition parts of the frequency...
I suspect it's not used very often at all, and would not be for something is routine such as a demonstration at the moment. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future with EE's ESN contract when Airwave retires. 5G may be part of the answer is it's possible to partition parts of the frequency...
Uncle boshy said:
Not that this was necessarily the case here, but there is a procedure for prioritising access to emergency services.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTPAS
In the case I suspect was just too many people trying to use the network
That I can believe, but that sort of thing is known. Same as the emergency alert system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTPAS
In the case I suspect was just too many people trying to use the network
The police having the power to shut off bits of the network because of a protest is a little far fetched. Protests happened way before mobiles were even a thing and its a bit late to make a difference if you're only shutting it off at the actual protest.
Someone could have been using a Stingray: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_track... or maybe a less sophisticated agent(s) using a jammer.
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