Middle Lane hogger cameras?
Discussion
Hi folks,
I was stuck on the congested M62 the other day, and it got me on to thinking: I know that for the most part, policing by camera is less desired (I certainly don't think there are many here who are delighted to see a speed camera).
But if a middle-lane hogger camera could be developed, and more policing of drivers just sitting in L2/L3 could start, how would you all feel?
To me, it'd seem a good way to start to make an inroad into some of the abysmal lane discipline I've seen lately on the motorways.
I also suspect that if such a thing could be developed and approved, we could definitely tackle a fair amount of the national debt by deploying it on the elevated sections of the M6 near Birmingham, and on the M25..
What do you reckon?
I was stuck on the congested M62 the other day, and it got me on to thinking: I know that for the most part, policing by camera is less desired (I certainly don't think there are many here who are delighted to see a speed camera).
But if a middle-lane hogger camera could be developed, and more policing of drivers just sitting in L2/L3 could start, how would you all feel?
To me, it'd seem a good way to start to make an inroad into some of the abysmal lane discipline I've seen lately on the motorways.
I also suspect that if such a thing could be developed and approved, we could definitely tackle a fair amount of the national debt by deploying it on the elevated sections of the M6 near Birmingham, and on the M25..
What do you reckon?
blueacid said:
vikingaero said:
All you would need is a week of getting Traffic Police to target MLM drivers with £500 fines. Once a couple of people in your office get stung by these fines, then people will talk and take notice.
A prerequisite for that would be to first have some traffic police..They have many responsibilities:
They're lead investigators in road side fatalities
They support victims and witnesses where someone has been killed
They do public order events such as football, planned protests, arrest warrants, etc
They use plain vehicles sometimes
They work with DVLA and other authorities on proactive investigations
They do road blocks where they're trying to identify witnesses who may have been there a week before
They have to do training routinely and attend court which takes them out of their shift schedule
They do general patrols 24/7 from motorways to residential areas
They support local officers in pursuits or just for attending incidents
..
The police do target middle lane drivers and often tweet results or put them on YouTube. They work with the road authorities to constantly tell people to move left.
redrabbit29 said:
blueacid said:
vikingaero said:
All you would need is a week of getting Traffic Police to target MLM drivers with £500 fines. Once a couple of people in your office get stung by these fines, then people will talk and take notice.
A prerequisite for that would be to first have some traffic police..They have many responsibilities:
They're lead investigators in road side fatalities
They support victims and witnesses where someone has been killed
They do public order events such as football, planned protests, arrest warrants, etc
They use plain vehicles sometimes
They work with DVLA and other authorities on proactive investigations
They do road blocks where they're trying to identify witnesses who may have been there a week before
They have to do training routinely and attend court which takes them out of their shift schedule
They do general patrols 24/7 from motorways to residential areas
They support local officers in pursuits or just for attending incidents
..
The police do target middle lane drivers and often tweet results or put them on YouTube. They work with the road authorities to constantly tell people to move left.
Force of habit and an obsession with following rules means I don't MLM but does it matter which lane you are in if there is nothing wanting to overtake you?
I've found on many occasions a car overtakes me and carries on in the middle/outer lane into the distance or until a faster vehicle is approaching and the car in front goes into the lane the highway code prescribes.
I prefer the idea of a short term campaign to fine perpetrators a high fine but we'd need to give Police vehicles to drive in for that wouldn't we? Actually, we'd probably need to employ some Police. I suspect cameras would be the lower cost.
I've found on many occasions a car overtakes me and carries on in the middle/outer lane into the distance or until a faster vehicle is approaching and the car in front goes into the lane the highway code prescribes.
I prefer the idea of a short term campaign to fine perpetrators a high fine but we'd need to give Police vehicles to drive in for that wouldn't we? Actually, we'd probably need to employ some Police. I suspect cameras would be the lower cost.
redrabbit29 said:
blueacid said:
vikingaero said:
All you would need is a week of getting Traffic Police to target MLM drivers with £500 fines. Once a couple of people in your office get stung by these fines, then people will talk and take notice.
A prerequisite for that would be to first have some traffic police..They have many responsibilities:
They're lead investigators in road side fatalities
They support victims and witnesses where someone has been killed
They do public order events such as football, planned protests, arrest warrants, etc
They use plain vehicles sometimes
They work with DVLA and other authorities on proactive investigations
They do road blocks where they're trying to identify witnesses who may have been there a week before
They have to do training routinely and attend court which takes them out of their shift schedule
They do general patrols 24/7 from motorways to residential areas
They support local officers in pursuits or just for attending incidents
..
The police do target middle lane drivers and often tweet results or put them on YouTube. They work with the road authorities to constantly tell people to move left.
redrabbit29 said:
There are tons of traffic police. I'm sick of this ignorant attitude. Just because *you* dont see them, they're there.
I'm sorry but that is just absolute rubbish, as confirmed by most of the serving police that post on this forum. They continually tell us the numbers have been cut so much they are now unable to do the job properly at all.All I would add is that if they are there, then they are doing a pretty crap job of sorting out the increasing downward spiral of illegal and dangerous driving.
I can't remember when I last went out and didn't see some yob charging around on electric bike or scooter, someone hogging the middle lane, someone driving dangerously, someone ignoring red traffic light, etc, the list goes on.
I also cant remember the last time I did see a police car (although I accept they may have been in an unmarked car.)
There is a perception that there is an almost 0% chance of getting caught by the police for all sorts of low level crime, which is why it is so prevalent. MLM is one such example. If you can't get caught then why bother to change your ways?
See also shoplifting, theft and general antisocial behaviour alongside motoring offences.
See also shoplifting, theft and general antisocial behaviour alongside motoring offences.
Pistom said:
Force of habit and an obsession with following rules means I don't MLM but does it matter which lane you are in if there is nothing wanting to overtake you?
I've found on many occasions a car overtakes me and carries on in the middle/outer lane into the distance or until a faster vehicle is approaching and the car in front goes into the lane the highway code prescribes.
I prefer the idea of a short term campaign to fine perpetrators a high fine but we'd need to give Police vehicles to drive in for that wouldn't we? Actually, we'd probably need to employ some Police. I suspect cameras would be the lower cost.
On your first point I think it does matter. It’s sloppy driving, and people who do it (in my experience) are unlikely to change their lane if a faster driver is approaching in the correct lane for their circumstances.I've found on many occasions a car overtakes me and carries on in the middle/outer lane into the distance or until a faster vehicle is approaching and the car in front goes into the lane the highway code prescribes.
I prefer the idea of a short term campaign to fine perpetrators a high fine but we'd need to give Police vehicles to drive in for that wouldn't we? Actually, we'd probably need to employ some Police. I suspect cameras would be the lower cost.
wiggy001 said:
There is a perception that there is an almost 0% chance of getting caught by the police for all sorts of low level crime, which is why it is so prevalent. MLM is one such example.
So driving in the middle lane if the nearside lane is clear is now a *crime*? No wonder the prisons are full.Just watching a news item about increasing the fine for littering (which I consider worse than driving in the middle lane) from £80 to £500. Interviews with people complaining about litter. But if there's no-one to fine them £80, who's going to fine them £500?
PS How are we getting from 'middle lane hogger' to 'MLM'? Google doesn't know what an 'MLM driver' is.
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 7th September 18:48
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