Driving a sorned car
Discussion
Upinflames said:
A friend has a car in France. MOT and tax ran out in December. He wants to bring it home and mot and tax it. It is insured. How much trouble is he in if he drives it from Dover to Cheshire? The ANPR cameras will get him for sure and he will prob get stopped I’m thinking
can't they book it in for a centre in dover ?Pixelpeep 135 said:
Upinflames said:
A friend has a car in France. MOT and tax ran out in December. He wants to bring it home and mot and tax it. It is insured. How much trouble is he in if he drives it from Dover to Cheshire? The ANPR cameras will get him for sure and he will prob get stopped I’m thinking
can't they book it in for a centre in dover ?Chances of getting an ANPR stop for no tax and MoT are nigh-on zero, and if they are driving it to a pre-booked MoT then they're sorted anyway if they do get stopped. Just make sure they can evidence that - in the unlikely event they do get a pull and it's outside business hours then it could be a problem.
No issues
Just make sure it’s roadworthy and will pass the MOT
Even if it pings the ANPR chances the police will ignore .. if it goes through a DVLA one then by the time it’s actioned and they check it the car will be showing MOT’d and taxed anyway
There’s no distance stipulated on how far you can drive a car to a pre booked MOT but I’d advise taking a direct route
If you’re stopped in Cornwall en route from Calais to Cheshire you might have a problem!
If you’re stopped by the police and you have ferry tickets and evidence of pre booked mot then zero offence committed
Just make sure it’s roadworthy and will pass the MOT
Even if it pings the ANPR chances the police will ignore .. if it goes through a DVLA one then by the time it’s actioned and they check it the car will be showing MOT’d and taxed anyway
There’s no distance stipulated on how far you can drive a car to a pre booked MOT but I’d advise taking a direct route
If you’re stopped in Cornwall en route from Calais to Cheshire you might have a problem!
If you’re stopped by the police and you have ferry tickets and evidence of pre booked mot then zero offence committed
Many, many years ago I was flown out with my missus to Paris to bring a car back, UK reg. but LHD with no mot or tax to London.
It hadn't moved for months, had to tape the drivers wing mirror back on had a few dramas finding petrol stations which had petrol and navigating the Arc De Triomphe.
Made it back ok but was slightly s
tting it at passport control.
We did do it on a Sunday with timing which meant we got back to the UK late evening so it was nice and quiet...
It hadn't moved for months, had to tape the drivers wing mirror back on had a few dramas finding petrol stations which had petrol and navigating the Arc De Triomphe.
Made it back ok but was slightly s
tting it at passport control.We did do it on a Sunday with timing which meant we got back to the UK late evening so it was nice and quiet...
When a car is brought into the country untaxed and without MOT the normal course of action is to put it on a trailer.
ANPR can ping anyone, anywhere, anytime and there's more and more cameras around. The chance of getting pinged between Dover and Cheshire looks high to me.
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable. Do normal/reasonable people drive from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT? I doubt it.
And then there are all the offences which will be committed in France driving a car that's not fully legal in the UK. You can't just assume the rules don't apply. It's the same for continentals who are driving in IK - their car must be fully legal in their home country or they commit an offence in UK.
ANPR can ping anyone, anywhere, anytime and there's more and more cameras around. The chance of getting pinged between Dover and Cheshire looks high to me.
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable. Do normal/reasonable people drive from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT? I doubt it.
And then there are all the offences which will be committed in France driving a car that's not fully legal in the UK. You can't just assume the rules don't apply. It's the same for continentals who are driving in IK - their car must be fully legal in their home country or they commit an offence in UK.
Panamax said:
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable. Do normal/reasonable people drive from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT? I doubt it.
Is it? Any links to/examples of these court cases where consideration was given to what is normal or reasonable in relation to MOT travel distances?Cat
poo at Paul's said:
Is it legal to drive it in France with no uk tax?
The Normal convention would be that it needs to be road legal to use in its home country As it would be, to drive it to an MOT station, then in my view of being driven for that purpose it’s fine
Driving around for fun for months on end .. I’d suggest not
Panamax said:
When a car is brought into the country untaxed and without MOT the normal course of action is to put it on a trailer.
ANPR can ping anyone, anywhere, anytime and there's more and more cameras around. The chance of getting pinged between Dover and Cheshire looks high to me.
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable. Do normal/reasonable people drive from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT? I doubt it.
And then there are all the offences which will be committed in France driving a car that's not fully legal in the UK. You can't just assume the rules don't apply. It's the same for continentals who are driving in IK - their car must be fully legal in their home country or they commit an offence in UK.
Made up rubbish, never see the point of posting stuff that is no more than pure guesswork ANPR can ping anyone, anywhere, anytime and there's more and more cameras around. The chance of getting pinged between Dover and Cheshire looks high to me.
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable. Do normal/reasonable people drive from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT? I doubt it.
And then there are all the offences which will be committed in France driving a car that's not fully legal in the UK. You can't just assume the rules don't apply. It's the same for continentals who are driving in IK - their car must be fully legal in their home country or they commit an offence in UK.
Panamax said:
When a car is brought into the country untaxed and without MOT the normal course of action is to put it on a trailer.
ANPR can ping anyone, anywhere, anytime and there's more and more cameras around. The chance of getting pinged between Dover and Cheshire looks high to me.
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable. Do normal/reasonable people drive from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT? I doubt it.
Utter & absolute bANPR can ping anyone, anywhere, anytime and there's more and more cameras around. The chance of getting pinged between Dover and Cheshire looks high to me.
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable. Do normal/reasonable people drive from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT? I doubt it.
ks. Please don’t dream this stuff up & try to pass it off as true. For the umpteenth time on this forum, THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON DISTANCE TO DRIVE A CAR TO A PRE-ARRANGED MOT TEST.
Ouroboros said:
What in France lol Give over. The OP friend needs an MOT to drive the car in France. So does he magically teleport it to the UK?
Unless you get very unlucky, the French won't care. The car won't ping for ANPR in France for a UK car - so providing it's fundamentally safe the chances of anything happening are roughly zero.Panamax said:
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable.
No it is not. Reasonableness is almost exclusively reserved for civil cases. One person suing another. Were they negligent, did they take reasonable steps to prevent whatever? In criminal cases, the law tends to be binary. You either broke it or you didn't. The law allows you to drive an untaxed car from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT. It doesn't matter if it's unreasonable or not.
vaud said:
Unless you get very unlucky, the French won't care. The car won't ping for ANPR in France for a UK car - so providing it's fundamentally safe the chances of anything happening are roughly zero.
I just find it funny really arguing the technicalities of a law, when half the journey will be ilegal.TwigtheWonderkid said:
Panamax said:
The "driving to MOT" exemption is always subject to what a court thinks is normal/reasonable.
No it is not. Reasonableness is almost exclusively reserved for civil cases. One person suing another. Were they negligent, did they take reasonable steps to prevent whatever? In criminal cases, the law tends to be binary. You either broke it or you didn't. The law allows you to drive an untaxed car from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT. It doesn't matter if it's unreasonable or not.
The only caveat being that the car needs to be roadworthy
As an example if you had four bald tyres .. you would still be committing an offence regardless of whether you were en route to a pre booked MOT or not, and the excuse of the MOT garage are going to put four new tyres on it wouldn’t suffice at all
TwigtheWonderkid said:
No it is not. Reasonableness is almost exclusively reserved for civil cases. One person suing another. Were they negligent, did they take reasonable steps to prevent whatever?
In criminal cases, the law tends to be binary. You either broke it or you didn't. The law allows you to drive an untaxed car from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT. It doesn't matter if it's unreasonable or not.
At the risk of dissapearing into a rabbit hole, what about criminal laws like dangerous driving, or use of force in self defence?In criminal cases, the law tends to be binary. You either broke it or you didn't. The law allows you to drive an untaxed car from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT. It doesn't matter if it's unreasonable or not.
They need judgements about what would be considered reasonable/normal?
Bit generally, I would agree that criminal law with specific exemptions written into it are binary (apart from covid ones perhaps)
Ian Geary said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
No it is not. Reasonableness is almost exclusively reserved for civil cases. One person suing another. Were they negligent, did they take reasonable steps to prevent whatever?
In criminal cases, the law tends to be binary. You either broke it or you didn't. The law allows you to drive an untaxed car from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT. It doesn't matter if it's unreasonable or not.
At the risk of dissapearing into a rabbit hole, what about criminal laws like dangerous driving, or use of force in self defence?In criminal cases, the law tends to be binary. You either broke it or you didn't. The law allows you to drive an untaxed car from Dover to Cheshire for an MOT. It doesn't matter if it's unreasonable or not.
Ultima Chat | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff