New speed cameras for London

[BlackTails]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6262ngvv8mo

Takeaway points:

- only in some boroughs to begin with
- bi-directional: can ping approaching cars as well as cars that have driven past the camera
- can scan five lanes
- longer range than existing cams
- no road markings to show the “kill zone”.

[BertBert]

Do we know if they are proper type approved speed cams that will result in enforcement (rather than the send a warning letter action)?

[CSR Performance]

Well at least there will be some form of "consistent enforcement" on our streets.

[Dan-k]

Well fk IAM and fk tfl thieving wkers. London doesn’t need any more cameras/yellow boxes/20mph limits/ltn/cycle lanes and all the other money making schemes that have been implemented.

Utter s.

[Maxym]

Dan-k said:

Well fk IAM and fk tfl thieving wkers. London doesn t need any more cameras/yellow boxes/20mph limits/ltn/cycle lanes and all the other money making schemes that have been implemented.

Utter s.

Not in favour then?

[bad company]

Dan-k said:

Well fk IAM and fk tfl thieving wkers. London doesn t need any more cameras/yellow boxes/20mph limits/ltn/cycle lanes and all the other money making schemes that have been implemented.

Utter s.

What he said.

[CSR Performance]

Dan-k said:

Well fk IAM and fk tfl thieving wkers. London doesn t need any more cameras/yellow boxes/20mph limits/ltn/cycle lanes and all the other money making schemes that have been implemented.

Utter s.

Say what you think... don't sit on the fence

In all seriousness, I totally agree. That's why my car never goes into the central 20mph zone any more. I park and tube/walk/uber from there, it's just not worth the stress.

[Saleen836]

What is needed is more patrols, my 35mile commute home earlier today I counted 5 drivers using their mobile phone

[Dave Hedgehog]

i dream of doing 20mph in london

waze will show where they are so it wont be an issue

[Geffg]

Good to see good use of money being used to counter real crime in paying for the technology and installation of these cameras. These will surely solve the crime everyone is up in arms about.
If only they could put this much effort into solving other crimes.
Go shoplifting and it’s fine as long as you don’t speed away over 20mph.
Spend more money trying to educate the public to watch where they’re walking rather than persecute the motorist.

[BlackTails]

Dave Hedgehog said:

i dream of doing 20mph in london

waze will show where they are so it wont be an issue

I hope so.

Cams that get you as you drive towards them, or uncertain range and without markings on the road, are a definite step up in the camera game.

[Simpo Two]

Wild horses wouldn't persuade me to take my car into London. The whole place is such a sthole I avoid it.

[BlackTails]

Simpo Two said:

Wild horses wouldn't persuade me to take my car into London. The whole place is such a sthole I avoid it.

If it’s any consolation, if these cameras prove to be profitable, err, effective, local authorities all over the country will wish to share in those profits, err effectiveness.

[E-bmw]

BlackTails said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6262ngvv8mo

Takeaway points:

- only in some boroughs to begin with
- bi-directional: can ping approaching cars as well as cars that have driven past the camera
- can scan five lanes
- longer range than existing cams
- no road markings to show the kill zone .

Just to pick up on a few of your points that you seem to think are new.

Cameras have been able to scan both directions for some time now.
Cameras have been able to cover more than one lane for some time now.
Camera ranges vary but they are always within areas that are signed as having cameras.
Cameras haven't needed road marking since forever.

So what is actually new then?....... Basically nothing.

[E-bmw]

Simpo Two said:

Wild horses wouldn't persuade me to take my car into London. The whole place is such a sthole I avoid it.

Is the right answer.

In the London area you have the best public transport network of anywhere in the country, use it, it REALLY works.

[itcaptainslow]

Dan-k said:

Well fk IAM and fk tfl thieving wkers. London doesn t need any more cameras/yellow boxes/20mph limits/ltn/cycle lanes and all the other money making schemes that have been implemented.

Utter s.

The IAM unfortunately have been falling increasingly into parroting the mindless "Speed BAD" crap at every single opportunity, with little nuance or countenance with "How about some driver education & addressing falling standards?". Their magazine now pretty much goes in the bin as soon as I receive it - on the occasions I have flicked through it's mostly adverts for walk in baths and celebration of self driving cars.

Only reason I've kept my membership going is the discount on breakdown services & at Bike Stop in Stevenage (although this may have changed now they've been taken over by Infinity), but I wouldn't think twice about cancelling if it wasn't for the occasional financial benefit.

I stopped observing for them some years ago when spare time became more precious, but also due to becoming rather disillusioned. I should really press on with the HPC journey I began last year!

[dxg]

"Advanced 4D imaging"

So, it's a CCTV camera then, with some tracking technology added.

[Simpo Two]

E-bmw said:

Simpo Two said:

Wild horses wouldn't persuade me to take my car into London. The whole place is such a sthole I avoid it.

Is the right answer.

In the London area you have the best public transport network of anywhere in the country, use it, it REALLY works.

London's still a sthole though. The last time I went was by paddle steamer and that was OK - disembark at Tower Bridge, a short walk through the muggers and pickpockets, then onto a luxury coach and whisked out safely through the ghettos.

[BlackTails]

E-bmw said:

Just to pick up on a few of your points that you seem to think are new.

Cameras have been able to scan both directions for some time now.
Cameras have been able to cover more than one lane for some time now.
Camera ranges vary but they are always within areas that are signed as having cameras.
Cameras haven't needed road marking since forever.

So what is actually new then?....... Basically nothing.

To pick up on some of your points:

There are no speed cams in London I know of that catch cars coming towards them and cars going away from them. If you know of any, please say where they are.
Current cams in London can cover three lanes. These can cover five.
The range of cams may vary and sometimes the road markings are unfeasibly placed (eg one spot on the A3 has markings on a bend which extend beyond the line of sight of the cam.
Cams may not need markings but they have them.

Another one of Steve Pitman s multiple logins?

Edited by BlackTails on Wednesday 18th March 23:25

Edited by BlackTails on Wednesday 18th March 23:48

[E-bmw]

BlackTails said:

E-bmw said:

Just to pick up on a few of your points that you seem to think are new.

Cameras have been able to scan both directions for some time now.
Cameras have been able to cover more than one lane for some time now.
Camera ranges vary but they are always within areas that are signed as having cameras.
Cameras haven't needed road marking since forever.

So what is actually new then?....... Basically nothing.

To pick up on some of your points:

There are no speed cams in London I know of that catch cars coming towards them and cars going away from them. If you know of any, please say where they are.
Current cams in London can cover three lanes. These can cover five.
The range of cams may vary and sometimes the road markings are unfeasibly placed (eg one spot on the A3 has markings on a bend which extend beyond the line of sight of the cam.
Cams may not need markings but they have them.

Another one of Steve Pitman s multiple logins?

Just to answer your reply.

(As per my other reply) I don't & never will drive in London, so am not specifically talking about London cameras, but understand you are.
I have to fundamentally disagree with you on road markings. I drive all over the country and (aside of the VERY occasional camera with a number painted on the road) I have not seen camera road markings for many years.

Who TF is Steve Pitman?

I am just replying to your post that implies there are cameras that you think are astoundingly more advanced, yet there are already cameras around the country that do basically exactly what you think is new.