Hoist y his own petard ( apologies if double post)

[silverfoxcc]

Just had a quick browse and it doesn't look like this has been picked up.

Noticed on another page that one of the police who appears regularly on the TV progs ( cant recall his name but he looks like the bold guy from a gruop called The Scaffold so you have really got to pld for that..lol

Anyway

Chuck out of the force for... iirc 25 counts of ins,tax and licence offences!!!!!!

[kestral]

Translator required?

[Wills2]

I'm not sure the OP has managed to pick up the thing he was attempting to, unless the aim was the meaningless gibberish written, one too many early evening gins, perhaps?

[WPA]

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/...

[skyebear]

Traffic cop, 20 offences relating to no insurance or MOT then lied about it when caught:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgy925zxv0o

[_Rodders_]

Clearly not the brightest.

Bike insurance is usually about £100. My mate paid £57 last year on a VFR800.

[Ted Maul]

silverfoxcc said:

Just had a quick browse and it doesn't look like this has been picked up.

Noticed on another page that one of the police who appears regularly on the TV progs ( cant recall his name but he looks like the bold guy from a gruop called The Scaffold so you have really got to pld for that..lol

Anyway

Chuck out of the force for... iirc 25 counts of ins,tax and licence offences!!!!!!

Send key setting, over.

[speedking31]

Traffic Cops TV thread
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[LosingGrip]

_Rodders_ said:

Clearly not the brightest.

Bike insurance is usually about £100. My mate paid £57 last year on a VFR800.

Depends on so many things. Mine is £660 a year.

[PorkInsider]

LosingGrip said:

_Rodders_ said:

Clearly not the brightest.

Bike insurance is usually about £100. My mate paid £57 last year on a VFR800.

Depends on so many things. Mine is £660 a year.

And mine was approaching £3,000 last year (clean licence, no claims).

[mac96]

Coincidentally I saw a few minutes of him in an old episode tonight. He came across as an unpleasant thug even with cameras on him and colleagues in earshot. I wouldn't have wanted to meet him alone.

Good news that he's gone.

[kestral]

Wills2 said:

I'm not sure the OP has managed to pick up the thing he was attempting to, unless the aim was the meaningless gibberish written, one too many early evening gins, perhaps?

[Simpo Two]

Wills2 said:

I'm not sure the OP has managed to pick up the thing he was attempting to, unless the aim was the meaningless gibberish written, one too many early evening gins, perhaps?

I worked it out quite quickly, but then I did visit Bletchley Park recently.

[wc98]

Wills2 said:

I'm not sure the OP has managed to pick up the thing he was attempting to, unless the aim was the meaningless gibberish written, one too many early evening gins, perhaps?

To be fair i managed to get the jist of it and if it was gin inspired i would suggest he has had just about the right amount to create the effect most people that drink gin are seeking. No point just having one, no point at all

[Ian Geary]

Wills2 said:

I'm not sure the OP has managed to pick up the thing he was attempting to, unless the aim was the meaningless gibberish written, one too many early evening gins, perhaps?

You would have to be trying quite hard not to follow the opening post.


Being "hoisted by your own petard" fits well enough for someone whose job is stopping others for breaking laws but then losing that job for also breaking laws. Hypocrite would also work; as would dishonest.


I can't recall this indivudual officer in those TV shows (which i used to watch quite a bit).

But whilst many plod on them seem hard working and decent: there are also objectionable personalities who must be insufferable to work with. Though maybe they were playing up for the camera..?

The fact this offcer denied his actions were even gross misconduct shows how some officers can exist with such a shallow understanding of what is required of them.

[mac96]

Ian Geary said:

Wills2 said:

I'm not sure the OP has managed to pick up the thing he was attempting to, unless the aim was the meaningless gibberish written, one too many early evening gins, perhaps?

You would have to be trying quite hard not to follow the opening post.


Being "hoisted by your own petard" fits well enough for someone whose job is stopping others for breaking laws but then losing that job for also breaking laws. Hypocrite would also work; as would dishonest.


I can't recall this indivudual officer in those TV shows (which i used to watch quite a bit).

But whilst many plod on them seem hard working and decent: there are also objectionable personalities who must be insufferable to work with. Though maybe they were playing up for the camera..?

The fact this offcer denied his actions were even gross misconduct shows how some officers can exist with such a shallow understanding of what is required of them.

Even amongst the officers who are playing it straight (ie nearly all of them) it is obvious that some have great people skills successfully calming down the ejits they have to deal with and generally making bad situations better, whereas some make things worse. Most of course are in the middle.

[Derek Smith]

mac96 said:

Even amongst the officers who are playing it straight (ie nearly all of them) it is obvious that some have great people skills successfully calming down the ejits they have to deal with and generally making bad situations better, whereas some make things worse. Most of course are in the middle.

There is training given nowadays but it is a skill that is best picked up on the job. Failures are as important as a job well done. I had a bit of a problem with one mouth and my sergeant refused the original offence and went with drunk and disorderly. My objections, not verbalised but apparent, were taken up by the sergeant. When I said, 'He said . . .' he asked why I was concerned with what 'that piece of st' thinks of you. I realised I had nearly taken a punch, had struggled on the street with a prisoner, for no particular reason. My sergeant reckoned I should concentrate of keeping the peace rather than creating offences. That hurt a bit.

From then on, I got on with the vast majority of my prisoners. One bought me a cup of tea and a sticky bun after he'd been found guilty. After I retired, when walking around Brighton with my wife, I'd often be approached by kids I'd arrested some years before, and we'd have a chat. I'd be introduced to wife, baby and be given updates on parents.

It's the easy life for me and a bloke going on his way quietly I regarded as a victory, but even so, there were times when nothing calmed them. A stroppy Scot after their team was trounced, slaughtered in fact, in the Calcutta Cup in '81 ended up with with me sitting on him in the middle of Liverpool Street. I've seen laid back officers beaten for not being forceful enough and being forceful too early. It's a difficult line to judge and no matter how experienced a bobbie is, they can make mistakes. There are officers who bring in more than their fair share of fighting prisoners and the norm was they'd be taken aside by a sergeant if only to stop them being bothered by rubbish jobs. I assume that still continues. I've had two prisoners charged with assault police in 30 years, most of it operational, although I've taken a few knocks that weren't charged, as is the norm.

It's easy to make a judgement on an edited video of an incident, but anything could have happened prior to the start.

One thing I will point out is that most officers are somewhat surprised by how easy it is to make a mistake and generate an altercation, either by being too forceful, or being too laid back. I know I was. The idea that putting your hands up in a sort of surrender calms others is not true 100% of the time. Far from it. You soon learn, but the process can be a pain.

One thing that is bewildering is that most, the vast majority, of officers take a while to master this very difficult judgement call yet someone on a keyboard gets it right every time.

[mac96]

Derek Smith said:

mac96 said:

Even amongst the officers who are playing it straight (ie nearly all of them) it is obvious that some have great people skills successfully calming down the ejits they have to deal with and generally making bad situations better, whereas some make things worse. Most of course are in the middle.

There is training given nowadays but it is a skill that is best picked up on the job. Failures are as important as a job well done. I had a bit of a problem with one mouth and my sergeant refused the original offence and went with drunk and disorderly. My objections, not verbalised but apparent, were taken up by the sergeant. When I said, 'He said . . .' he asked why I was concerned with what 'that piece of st' thinks of you. I realised I had nearly taken a punch, had struggled on the street with a prisoner, for no particular reason. My sergeant reckoned I should concentrate of keeping the peace rather than creating offences. That hurt a bit.

From then on, I got on with the vast majority of my prisoners. One bought me a cup of tea and a sticky bun after he'd been found guilty. After I retired, when walking around Brighton with my wife, I'd often be approached by kids I'd arrested some years before, and we'd have a chat. I'd be introduced to wife, baby and be given updates on parents.

It's the easy life for me and a bloke going on his way quietly I regarded as a victory, but even so, there were times when nothing calmed them. A stroppy Scot after their team was trounced, slaughtered in fact, in the Calcutta Cup in '81 ended up with with me sitting on him in the middle of Liverpool Street. I've seen laid back officers beaten for not being forceful enough and being forceful too early. It's a difficult line to judge and no matter how experienced a bobbie is, they can make mistakes. There are officers who bring in more than their fair share of fighting prisoners and the norm was they'd be taken aside by a sergeant if only to stop them being bothered by rubbish jobs. I assume that still continues. I've had two prisoners charged with assault police in 30 years, most of it operational, although I've taken a few knocks that weren't charged, as is the norm.

It's easy to make a judgement on an edited video of an incident, but anything could have happened prior to the start.

One thing I will point out is that most officers are somewhat surprised by how easy it is to make a mistake and generate an altercation, either by being too forceful, or being too laid back. I know I was. The idea that putting your hands up in a sort of surrender calms others is not true 100% of the time. Far from it. You soon learn, but the process can be a pain.

One thing that is bewildering is that most, the vast majority, of officers take a while to master this very difficult judgement call yet someone on a keyboard gets it right every time.

Interesting! I wasn't trying to be critical. The one thing these programmes remind me of is that I could not do the job even with training and I have huge admiration for those who do.

[Derek Smith]

mac96 said:

Interesting! I wasn't trying to be critical. The one thing these programmes remind me of is that I could not do the job even with training and I have huge admiration for those who do.

Sorry. Wasn't having a go at you.

To put it simply, if you stop a car with a male driver, you deal with them differently depending on who they are with. On their own, with a woman who is their girlfried/wife/daughter, with a mate, with a parent, with a crowd, with someone who wants to take the lead, and more. Then a woman in a car, etc. You don't need to stop each individual type of course to know a productive way to a stop as every one is different. But those of a specific type don't all behave the same. A police officer wants something out of every stop: information, explanation, history, intention, etc. They'll make mistakes and the ability to bring something back onto the right direction is, probably, the most useful skill to have from my experience.

If you go in too light at the start for some people, they'll try and take control and regaining it can result is not getting what you want from a stop.

It's the sort of thing everyone does every day. Some people can wind up others. You've seen it or maybe been the victim when someone uses the 'wrong' tone. If you go into it 'knowing' there's going to be trouble, you are normally correct, not necessarily because of the other person, but your own prejudice. We had a Canadian, nicknamed Tex, on my first shift who had had a couple of 'bad experiences' with stops. It turned him into someone who could irritate a corpse, a remarkable skill in itself. A PC was told off to take him out on a late turn and do nothing but stops. Two days he did nothing but and at the end must have been exhausted, irritated and resentful, but he was still required to stop people. He learned.

90% of people respond well to a stop. Probably a higher percentage. The remainder try to cause problems, for whatever reason. Some of the 90% will have had a bad day, will be exhausted, have somewhere important to be, just have broken up with their partner, lost a bet. They are the most difficult to handle in my experience as you start off incorrectly.

Go in light and you can always increase pressure. Go in heavy and you've got few options.

You soon lose the skill though. You get those promoted who believe they are just as good at it as they always were. They can be a bright spot in a rather dull day. Often, they never learn and, to be fair, it's a hard lesson as you have to accept a probationer PC, with the tread still on his DMs, is better than you.