Yellow zigzag lines outside a school
Discussion
From the time when a friend of mine lived opposite a school and therefore had checked if/when they could park on the markings, they were told that the signs next to the markings would identify what time(s) they were not allowed to park.
Also, a quick Google found this:
22.24 The KEEP CLEAR marking is legally enforceable only when used in conjunction with an upright sign to diagram 642.2A and backed by a traffic regulation order.
Also, a quick Google found this:
22.24 The KEEP CLEAR marking is legally enforceable only when used in conjunction with an upright sign to diagram 642.2A and backed by a traffic regulation order.
AFAIK all road markings have to be accompanied by appropriate signage to be enforceable- contact the local highways department to ask details of the TRO (Traffic Regulations Order) that covers the road markings - they will have it on record.
Normally the school keep clear zigzag markings are in force from 8.00 - 9.30am and 2.30 - 4.00pm - are you being prosecuted for an offence regarding these zigzags?
Normally the school keep clear zigzag markings are in force from 8.00 - 9.30am and 2.30 - 4.00pm - are you being prosecuted for an offence regarding these zigzags?
That's why I ask if the is a pending prosecution - if it's just an over zealous parking attendant on his moped, sticking one on at 6pm and there was nothing to obstruct then it,s a relevant question.
I got off a parking offence with yellow lines as the post with the sign giving times of the restriction had been knocked over and temporarily removed due to an RTA. Because the TRO conditions had been breached by the sign being missing, and I could prove it, the offence was deemed not to have been committed and the ticket cancelled.....
I got off a parking offence with yellow lines as the post with the sign giving times of the restriction had been knocked over and temporarily removed due to an RTA. Because the TRO conditions had been breached by the sign being missing, and I could prove it, the offence was deemed not to have been committed and the ticket cancelled.....
diagram here
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/traffic-sign...
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/traffic-sign...
chap5 said:
22.24 The KEEP CLEAR marking is legally enforceable only when used in conjunction with an upright sign to diagram 642.2A and backed by a traffic regulation order. However, without regular enforcement action, the mandatory version is unlikely to be any better respected than the advisory marking.
saaby93 said:
diagram here
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/traffic-sign...
Would that be hinting that without the sign, it is advisory?http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/traffic-sign...
chap5 said:
22.24 The KEEP CLEAR marking is legally enforceable only when used in conjunction with an upright sign to diagram 642.2A and backed by a traffic regulation order. However, without regular enforcement action, the mandatory version is unlikely to be any better respected than the advisory marking.
This is quite interesting and my curiosity makes me want to make further enquiries,
The reason I originally asked was really just general interest- we live opposite a school and this morning a car had parked opposite our drive on the zigzags while he owner went for a run.
Unfortunately because of the frost and sheer length of my car I had to do a 7 point turn with the roof down to get out of my drive.
When I came back the owner was just getting into his car. He made the mistake of saying how much he liked my car which allowed me to tell him how his parking had made my life difficult.
At all times both of us were very friendly and even had a bit of a laugh about it,
When I got in I did wonder if he'd parked illegally as he'd parked on yellow zigzags (and there's definitely no plate showing times etc). That was all.
Thanks for the info though
The reason I originally asked was really just general interest- we live opposite a school and this morning a car had parked opposite our drive on the zigzags while he owner went for a run.
Unfortunately because of the frost and sheer length of my car I had to do a 7 point turn with the roof down to get out of my drive.
When I came back the owner was just getting into his car. He made the mistake of saying how much he liked my car which allowed me to tell him how his parking had made my life difficult.
At all times both of us were very friendly and even had a bit of a laugh about it,
When I got in I did wonder if he'd parked illegally as he'd parked on yellow zigzags (and there's definitely no plate showing times etc). That was all.
Thanks for the info though
They might be enforceable, they might not. It depends if there is a Traffic Regulation Order.
Any offence of stopping on yellow "School Keep Clear" zig-zafs is covered by Sections 5 and 8 (depending if it's in London or not) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, but ONLY IF a Traffic Regulation Order has been made in respect of the length of road where the zig-zags are displayed. If a TRO has been made, this would usually need to be accompanied by roadside signs indicating the periods of restriction.
In that case, the markings are enforceable.
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions, however, do not specify that this road marking can ONLY be used to indicate the effect of an Order (yellow lines and "no right turn" signs, for example, can ONLY be used where a TRO exists), so it appears that a yellow zig-zag marking may be painted down with no TRO, but is then only advisory but is NOT enforceable itself.
I do not know if that means that a driver parking on them would be open to another offence (such as due consideration) under the Road Traffic Act - there are others on here better qualified than me to comment on that.
ETA Cut and pasted from a reply I gave on the same subject in January 2010!
Any offence of stopping on yellow "School Keep Clear" zig-zafs is covered by Sections 5 and 8 (depending if it's in London or not) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, but ONLY IF a Traffic Regulation Order has been made in respect of the length of road where the zig-zags are displayed. If a TRO has been made, this would usually need to be accompanied by roadside signs indicating the periods of restriction.
In that case, the markings are enforceable.
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions, however, do not specify that this road marking can ONLY be used to indicate the effect of an Order (yellow lines and "no right turn" signs, for example, can ONLY be used where a TRO exists), so it appears that a yellow zig-zag marking may be painted down with no TRO, but is then only advisory but is NOT enforceable itself.
I do not know if that means that a driver parking on them would be open to another offence (such as due consideration) under the Road Traffic Act - there are others on here better qualified than me to comment on that.
ETA Cut and pasted from a reply I gave on the same subject in January 2010!
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