Bring back the death penalty?
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No, not really, except for crimes against humanity where nothing would be gained from locking up an individual for years on end.
Today a man has been recommended to serve 40 years of a life sentence for killing his parents with a sawn off shotgun - after earlier trying to drown them in a canal after a fake car accident!
No need - I don't wish to contribute to his incarceration, and he clearly is of no worth to society.
Meanwhile, another oxygen stealing persistent offender - whom I find extremely offensive, is jailed at our expense.
http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/nation...
I hope something unpleasant happens to him while in jail!
All this has come about after a long conversation with the VAT people, and an unpaid bill which would sort everything out.
Yes, William Grant's - it's time you paid up so we can all move on, and I can pay MY creditors!
I know YOU can afford it - if not, don't order goods you cannot pay for.
Today a man has been recommended to serve 40 years of a life sentence for killing his parents with a sawn off shotgun - after earlier trying to drown them in a canal after a fake car accident!
No need - I don't wish to contribute to his incarceration, and he clearly is of no worth to society.
Meanwhile, another oxygen stealing persistent offender - whom I find extremely offensive, is jailed at our expense.
http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/nation...
News item said:
Prison for 'cash for crash' schemer
2:11pm Thursday 28th March 2013 in National News © Press Association 2013
Mohammed Javid was jailed after admitting a fraudulent car accident insurance scam
A law graduate who masterminded a series of "cash for crash" insurance scams has been jailed for two years.
Mohammed Javid, 28, made false insurance claims totalling over £80,000 for fraudulent car accidents, household accidents and benefit claims.
The father-of-one, who worked as a car dealer, was told by a judge at Bristol Crown Court that he had been motivated by "greed" rather than "necessity".
Prosecutor Stephen Dent told the court: "This case involves some highly organised frauds of a number of victims, fraudulent car accident claims, household insurance claims and benefit fraud."
In one claim in March 2011, Javid worked with his brother-in-law Shabeer Ahmad, 30 - a former insurance firm worker - to stage a crash between two cars they were driving to defraud insurance company Liverpool Victoria out of £1,500.
Police inquires found that Javid had used a false name on the claim and gave an address of a property he owned and his own telephone number. Mr Dent said that the investigation uncovered other bogus claims made by Javid over the previous two years.
In October 2010 he made a claim for over £18,000, which included the hire of a Mercedes courtesy car, and injuries to his passenger, for another crash in Blackburn. Javid submitted fictitious invoices for car repairs, storage and the hire of the Mercedes.
The insurance company paid out only £2,300 for injuries to Javid's passenger. It later emerged that Javid was alone when the accident occurred.
At a previous hearing Javid, of Irving Place, Blackburn, Lancashire admitted six charges of making a false representation and a single charge of handling stolen goods.
Javid also admitted a charge of defrauding the Department of Work and Pensions out of £19,000 by claiming housing benefit on a property he owned but was renting to someone else and that he was unfit to work because of epilepsy.
His actions will have cost insurance payers real money they can barely afford these days.2:11pm Thursday 28th March 2013 in National News © Press Association 2013
Mohammed Javid was jailed after admitting a fraudulent car accident insurance scam
A law graduate who masterminded a series of "cash for crash" insurance scams has been jailed for two years.
Mohammed Javid, 28, made false insurance claims totalling over £80,000 for fraudulent car accidents, household accidents and benefit claims.
The father-of-one, who worked as a car dealer, was told by a judge at Bristol Crown Court that he had been motivated by "greed" rather than "necessity".
Prosecutor Stephen Dent told the court: "This case involves some highly organised frauds of a number of victims, fraudulent car accident claims, household insurance claims and benefit fraud."
In one claim in March 2011, Javid worked with his brother-in-law Shabeer Ahmad, 30 - a former insurance firm worker - to stage a crash between two cars they were driving to defraud insurance company Liverpool Victoria out of £1,500.
Police inquires found that Javid had used a false name on the claim and gave an address of a property he owned and his own telephone number. Mr Dent said that the investigation uncovered other bogus claims made by Javid over the previous two years.
In October 2010 he made a claim for over £18,000, which included the hire of a Mercedes courtesy car, and injuries to his passenger, for another crash in Blackburn. Javid submitted fictitious invoices for car repairs, storage and the hire of the Mercedes.
The insurance company paid out only £2,300 for injuries to Javid's passenger. It later emerged that Javid was alone when the accident occurred.
At a previous hearing Javid, of Irving Place, Blackburn, Lancashire admitted six charges of making a false representation and a single charge of handling stolen goods.
Javid also admitted a charge of defrauding the Department of Work and Pensions out of £19,000 by claiming housing benefit on a property he owned but was renting to someone else and that he was unfit to work because of epilepsy.
I hope something unpleasant happens to him while in jail!
All this has come about after a long conversation with the VAT people, and an unpaid bill which would sort everything out.
Yes, William Grant's - it's time you paid up so we can all move on, and I can pay MY creditors!
I know YOU can afford it - if not, don't order goods you cannot pay for.
Go on, I'll bite.
If we have a criminal justice system that states that killing people is wrong, logically how can killing people be prescribed as a punishment?
I don't get the other bit, presumably you are owed money as a result of the fraud(s) committed by someone who is clearly a scumbag. As Don Corleone would say, killing him would not be justice.
Cheers, Jim
If we have a criminal justice system that states that killing people is wrong, logically how can killing people be prescribed as a punishment?
I don't get the other bit, presumably you are owed money as a result of the fraud(s) committed by someone who is clearly a scumbag. As Don Corleone would say, killing him would not be justice.
Cheers, Jim
LADANIVA said:
From this mans surname, you would conclude that his family, maybe 3 generations ago came from a place where for this kind of crime he'd have lost his hand.
Maybe the courts should remind people of this fact.
Think about it
Go on, I'll bite again.Maybe the courts should remind people of this fact.
Think about it
In what way would "reminding" someone of something that may well not be factually correct in addition to being completely irrelevant to the prevailing system of justice be beneficial to anyone, in any way?
Cheers, Jim
jimmy the hat said:
If we have a criminal justice system that states that killing people is wrong, logically how can killing people be prescribed as a punishment?
If we have a criminal justice system that states that one person imprisoning another person is wrong, logically how can imprisoning people be prescribed as a punishment?If we have a criminal justice system that states that forcibly taking money from another person is wrong, logically how can a fine be prescribed as a punishment?
jimmy the hat said:
Go on, I'll bite again.
In what way would "reminding" someone of something that may well not be factually correct in addition to being completely irrelevant to the prevailing system of justice be beneficial to anyone, in any way?
Cheers, Jim
I'll bite then.In what way would "reminding" someone of something that may well not be factually correct in addition to being completely irrelevant to the prevailing system of justice be beneficial to anyone, in any way?
Cheers, Jim
Hang em all
alock said:
If we have a criminal justice system that states that one person imprisoning another person is wrong, logically how can imprisoning people be prescribed as a punishment?
If we have a criminal justice system that states that forcibly taking money from another person is wrong, logically how can a fine be prescribed as a punishment?
The second one is a bit weak. It would only really work if the fine was a punishment for a fine. At least someone is paying attention, though. If we have a criminal justice system that states that forcibly taking money from another person is wrong, logically how can a fine be prescribed as a punishment?
Cheers, Jim
If a murder is so heinous and obvious that there can be not a shred of doubt (caught on cctv, admits it etc) then that person should leave this mortal coil. Good examples are this one + that chap that topped the 2 female police officers. Clearly the threat of a lengthy prison sentence is no deterrent to such cold blooded killers.
TX.
TX.
jimmy the hat said:
If we have a criminal justice system that states that killing people is wrong, logically how can killing people be prescribed as a punishment?
"Killing innocents is wrong. You did. Die."It's a simple enough message, old enough to be found in the Bible. It is as right now as it was then.
Mill Wheel said:
All this has come about after a long conversation with the VAT people, and an unpaid bill which would sort everything out.
Yes, William Grant's - it's time you paid up so we can all move on, and I can pay MY creditors!
I know YOU can afford it - if not, don't order goods you cannot pay for.
The distillers?Yes, William Grant's - it's time you paid up so we can all move on, and I can pay MY creditors!
I know YOU can afford it - if not, don't order goods you cannot pay for.
Landlord said:
Mill Wheel said:
No, not really
jimmy the hat said:
Go on, I'll bite.
Really?!Mill Wheel said:
No, not really
Then there's;Mill Wheel said:
No need - I don't wish to contribute to his incarceration, and he clearly is of no worth to society.
Meanwhile, another oxygen stealing persistent offender - whom I find extremely offensive, is jailed at our expense.
So, yes, really. Feel free to not have read that which irked you so. Meanwhile, another oxygen stealing persistent offender - whom I find extremely offensive, is jailed at our expense.
Cheers, Jim
grumbledoak said:
"Killing innocents is wrong. You did. Die."
It's a simple enough message, old enough to be found in the Bible. It is as right now as it was then.
Oh, that's gold. Define "innocents", just the related case will be fine. Who does the killing? If it's an innocent, what psychological damage is inflicted upon them? If it's someone who's already a murderer is that not endorsing murder?It's a simple enough message, old enough to be found in the Bible. It is as right now as it was then.
And the bible? Come on, there's got to be a biblical version of Godwins.
Still, it did make me chuckle.
Cheers, Jim
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