Pay increases slashed?

[fjord]

http://news.sky.com/story/1108264/spending-review-...

Wait, so as I read it, despite there being a pay freeze for the increments over the last 2-3 years, the government has just thought 'fk it' and scrapped the yearly rise?

What fking motivation is there going to be to do any work, when a new bobby on 19k a year, is going to be on 19k a year, every year until the end of the service?

[Alex]

I don't think you'll get much sympathy on here, as most private sector workers have had their salaries cut.

[MacW]

Performance related.... like the private sector.

You know, the ones whose tax has gone on undeserved pay increases to date while not getting a pay rise themselves.

[egor110]

Alex said:

I don't think you'll get much sympathy on here, as most private sector workers have had their salaries cut.

can you compare the police to a private sector job?

how many of us go to work potentially facing danger from in front of our pc's?

[fjord]

MacW said:

Performance related.... like the private sector.

You know, the ones whose tax has gone on undeserved pay increases to date while not getting a pay rise themselves.

Paying the Police based on performance? "Come 'ere son, you're nicked, I need a bonus this month!"

[Devil2575]

fjord said:

What fking motivation is there going to be to do any work, when a new bobby on 19k a year, is going to be on 19k a year, every year until the end of the service?

I doubt that they will never get another payrise again.

[oyster]

fjord said:

http://news.sky.com/story/1108264/spending-review-...

Wait, so as I read it, despite there being a pay freeze for the increments over the last 2-3 years, the government has just thought 'fk it' and scrapped the yearly rise?

What fking motivation is there going to be to do any work, when a new bobby on 19k a year, is going to be on 19k a year, every year until the end of the service?

It's called austerity. We're all in it together. Most of my peers have had pay freezes since 2007.

[MacW]

fjord said:

Paying the Police based on performance? "Come 'ere son, you're nicked, I need a bonus this month!"

Narrow view, deliberately ignoring the point.

You advocate the method of blanket pay rises regardless of performance then? What motivation is there to provide a proper service under those circumstances?

[Alex]

egor110 said:

can you compare the police to a private sector job?

how many of us go to work potentially facing danger from in front of our pc's?

I don't see how that's relevant to this discussion.

[Alex]

MacW said:

You advocate the method of blanket pay rises regardless of performance then? What motivation is there to provide a proper service under those circumstances?

None. Welcome to the public sector.

[carreauchompeur]

Oh brilliant, I strongly thought something like this might happen.

The trouble is that it becomes quite divisive, I am currently on payscale 7 due to the stopping of increments so was rather hoping to reach the top of the payscale on a (massively delayed date) of Jan 2015. I'm not sure of the details, but that doesn't look like that'll be the case now.

But people who joined at different dates (IE just before the freeze) will be remaining at top whack... For exactly the same job.

Grr

[fjord]

MacW said:

Narrow view, deliberately ignoring the point.

You advocate the method of blanket pay rises regardless of performance then? What motivation is there to provide a proper service under those circumstances?

What's the point? Performance based pay?

And how do you measure the performance of the Police and pay by that benchmark then?

[egor110]

Alex said:

egor110 said:

can you compare the police to a private sector job?

how many of us go to work potentially facing danger from in front of our pc's?

I don't see how that's relevant to this discussion.

Because public sector jobs have had pay freezes, yet you can't compare the jobs.

People comparing fire men,police,prison officers to themselves in there nice little air conditioned pc operating job are mad.

Surely the people you/i call for when things are a bit too much for us too deal with should be paid more?

[Devil2575]

oyster said:

It's called austerity. We're all in it together. Most of my peers have had pay freezes since 2007.

Except we're not though are we. The people at the top are not seeing their pay frozen are they. We're in it together as long as you're not already well paid, in which case expect your wages to keep on rising

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/exe...

[Devil2575]

MacW said:

Narrow view, deliberately ignoring the point.

You advocate the method of blanket pay rises regardless of performance then? What motivation is there to provide a proper service under those circumstances?

Actually in most situations i'd advocate an annual increase to counter inflation. Without this wages actually go down in real terms.

In certain times there may be a need to stop cost of living increases but it shouldn't be the norm.

[MacW]

fjord said:

MacW said:

Narrow view, deliberately ignoring the point.

You advocate the method of blanket pay rises regardless of performance then? What motivation is there to provide a proper service under those circumstances?

What's the point? Performance based pay?

And how do you measure the performance of the Police and pay by that benchmark then?

And now deliberately ignoring the question.

[ging84]

egor110 said:

can you compare the police to a private sector job?

how many of us go to work potentially facing danger from in front of our pc's?

agriculture, construction, mining, manufacturing are all far more dangerous industries

[oyster]

Devil2575 said:

oyster said:

It's called austerity. We're all in it together. Most of my peers have had pay freezes since 2007.

Except we're not though are we. The people at the top are not seeing their pay frozen are they. We're in it together as long as you're not already well paid, in which case expect your wages to keep on rising

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/exe...

They're private companies, so buy some shares and complain at the AGM.

I believe cabinet ministers have had pay cuts recently.

[Mr E]

fjord said:

What fking motivation is there going to be to do any work

The existing salary that's being paid?

[Devil2575]

oyster said:

Devil2575 said:

oyster said:

It's called austerity. We're all in it together. Most of my peers have had pay freezes since 2007.

Except we're not though are we. The people at the top are not seeing their pay frozen are they. We're in it together as long as you're not already well paid, in which case expect your wages to keep on rising

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/exe...

They're private companies, so buy some shares and complain at the AGM.

I believe cabinet ministers have had pay cuts recently.

That's not the point is it.

The fact is that 'we are not all in it together'.