Parking ticket - no notice on windscreen
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Just got a letter yesterday from Greenwich council, penalty charge notice for parking in a bay for longer than the 2 hours permitted on 18th Dec, I'm not disputing that as I just forgot to move car after 2 hours. When I got to the car to move it there was no ticket on the windscreen I assumed I had got away with my lapse as there are rarely traffic wardens around. You often see cars without permits not moving for days.
Now I get a letter asking for £80 going to £120 if not paid within 28 days. As this offence was a lower priority in Band A the cost should be £80 reduced by 50% if paid within 14 days which doesn't seem to be available to me. I've not had a parking ticket in over 20 years but seen lots stuck to windscreens and they look pretty well attached, unlikely to blow off in normal weather in less than an hour. Is this a common occurrence, giving a parking ticket but not putting it on the car as I can't believe it just fell off? Seems a good way to double fine revenue, especially when you look at what the councils are currently 'earning' from this.
Now I get a letter asking for £80 going to £120 if not paid within 28 days. As this offence was a lower priority in Band A the cost should be £80 reduced by 50% if paid within 14 days which doesn't seem to be available to me. I've not had a parking ticket in over 20 years but seen lots stuck to windscreens and they look pretty well attached, unlikely to blow off in normal weather in less than an hour. Is this a common occurrence, giving a parking ticket but not putting it on the car as I can't believe it just fell off? Seems a good way to double fine revenue, especially when you look at what the councils are currently 'earning' from this.
Contest it.
I had a run in with Greenwich council also. I parked in one of their pay and displays and emptied mine and my three passengers pockets of coins to pay the extortionate parking fee (something like £12 - machine only took coins).
Anyway, came back to the car to find a parking ticket on it stating no valid pay and display ticket in view.
The pay and display stub was still on my dash clear as anything. A couple of locals were passing by and told me no one ever parks there because they just ticket cars at random and hope you don't contest to keep their numbers up.
Fast forward 2 months and several threatening letters from them including escalation of the fine, I finally had my appeal heard and won. No apology, just some snivelling that they'd "not pursue it on this occasion"
If you ever want to avoid it, it was just opposite the National Maritime Museum.
I had a run in with Greenwich council also. I parked in one of their pay and displays and emptied mine and my three passengers pockets of coins to pay the extortionate parking fee (something like £12 - machine only took coins).
Anyway, came back to the car to find a parking ticket on it stating no valid pay and display ticket in view.
The pay and display stub was still on my dash clear as anything. A couple of locals were passing by and told me no one ever parks there because they just ticket cars at random and hope you don't contest to keep their numbers up.
Fast forward 2 months and several threatening letters from them including escalation of the fine, I finally had my appeal heard and won. No apology, just some snivelling that they'd "not pursue it on this occasion"
If you ever want to avoid it, it was just opposite the National Maritime Museum.
Under Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) General Regs 2007, Reg 10 (1)permits an enforcement authority to serve a PCN by post where it believes a contravention has taken place. In this case - an overstay.
Used to be that to comply a ticket stuck on the vehicle or hanbded to driver. NO longer a get out clause now.
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Used to be that to comply a ticket stuck on the vehicle or hanbded to driver. NO longer a get out clause now.
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Dwight VanDriver said:
NO longer a get out clause now.
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I'm not trying to get out of the ticket as I did overstay the 2 hour limit, just find it very fishy that there was no ticket on the car. Now they will get double the fine amount it seems like it could be unofficial policy. Not only that £80 for slightly overstaying on a quiet residential street is outrageous, completely out of proportion to the offence. I could have bought a years resident permit for £82 but didn't bother as I hardly ever have a car there.dvd
Just an update to this in case anyone is bothered. I appealed the ticket and they sent me a picture of the ticket on the windscreen. It looked a bit badly attached to me and wasn't there a short time after when I got there. However as a gesture of goodwill they waived the doubling of the penalty, couldn't really ask for more. So only £40 in the end for slightly overstaying on an empty street, but I suppose rules are rules. I can see how this is a massive profit centre for local councils though, must be very lucrative indeed.
Virtually all LAs use parking revenue as a means to prop up their budgets rather than make a profit per se.
With government slashing central funding grants and capping CT increases the temptation to extract as much money from the motorist is overwhelming. It's only going to get worse.
With government slashing central funding grants and capping CT increases the temptation to extract as much money from the motorist is overwhelming. It's only going to get worse.
cb31 said:
Just an update to this in case anyone is bothered. I appealed the ticket and they sent me a picture of the ticket on the windscreen. It looked a bit badly attached to me and wasn't there a short time after when I got there. However as a gesture of goodwill they waived the doubling of the penalty, couldn't really ask for more. So only £40 in the end for slightly overstaying on an empty street, but I suppose rules are rules. I can see how this is a massive profit centre for local councils though, must be very lucrative indeed.
If they didn't have such a system wouldn't the road be clogged with parked cars and the residents be unable to park?Got called out to London yesterday. Parked in Finsbury Circus. £10 in the meter, said printing ticket but nothing came out so had to pay another £10 at another machine arghhhhhh
A colleague of mine was loading in Tothill St. His ticket had just expired, as a traffic warden walked past. He said to the warden he had one more box to load, ok no problem says the warden and he walks off. Guess what turns up in the post a few days later
A colleague of mine was loading in Tothill St. His ticket had just expired, as a traffic warden walked past. He said to the warden he had one more box to load, ok no problem says the warden and he walks off. Guess what turns up in the post a few days later
No notice.....No respite.
LTT: Inspector overrules minister on parking standards
A planning inspector has rejected the Government’s request that maximum parking standards be deleted from the mayor’s London Plan. Brandon Lewis, the minister of state for housing and planning, wrote last autumn to Anthony Thickett, the planning inspector considering alterations to the London Plan, pointing out that the plan’s maximum limits on parking were contrary to Government policy (LTT 14 Nov 14).
The London plan sets maximum parking standards for new retail, office and residential developments, which boroughs are advised to use in their development plans. Said Lewis: “When ministers abolished maximum parking standards in national policy it was with a clear view to encourage the provision of more parking spaces to meet local need. As a Government we are clear that an insufficient number of parking spaces risks creating a ‘vicious cycle’ where clogged-up streets leave motorists to run a gauntlet of congestion, unfair fines and parking restrictions.”
Transport for London argued that the maximum standards should be retained.
LTT: Inspector overrules minister on parking standards
A planning inspector has rejected the Government’s request that maximum parking standards be deleted from the mayor’s London Plan. Brandon Lewis, the minister of state for housing and planning, wrote last autumn to Anthony Thickett, the planning inspector considering alterations to the London Plan, pointing out that the plan’s maximum limits on parking were contrary to Government policy (LTT 14 Nov 14).
The London plan sets maximum parking standards for new retail, office and residential developments, which boroughs are advised to use in their development plans. Said Lewis: “When ministers abolished maximum parking standards in national policy it was with a clear view to encourage the provision of more parking spaces to meet local need. As a Government we are clear that an insufficient number of parking spaces risks creating a ‘vicious cycle’ where clogged-up streets leave motorists to run a gauntlet of congestion, unfair fines and parking restrictions.”
Transport for London argued that the maximum standards should be retained.
Good to at least see they are taking photos to prove that the ticket was issued to the vehicle.
Seen this round here recently, outside work is a street with a loading bay, disabled bays and taxi stand which are abused.
PCSO / Traffic warden turns up walks round the lot taking photos then goes round them all again,issues tickets, sticks them to the screen and takes more photos.
Timestamp on photos to show time the vehicle was monitored and prove the notice was issued.
Sen some people stick old tickets to avoid and the pcso/ tw has always opened up the ticket, took a photo and issued a new one!
Seen this round here recently, outside work is a street with a loading bay, disabled bays and taxi stand which are abused.
PCSO / Traffic warden turns up walks round the lot taking photos then goes round them all again,issues tickets, sticks them to the screen and takes more photos.
Timestamp on photos to show time the vehicle was monitored and prove the notice was issued.
Sen some people stick old tickets to avoid and the pcso/ tw has always opened up the ticket, took a photo and issued a new one!
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