Got a little neighbour situation
Discussion
Hi all
Well, I've had a bit of a s
t weekend! It started with my problem neighbour (who lives above me in a 3 storey, block of 12 flats) coming home from a night out. 4am and he proceeds to stamp his feet hard down the corridor and shout out "wake the fk up". It woke me up so, long story short, I popped up and knocked at his door to ask what he thinks he was playing at.
He came at me with a barrage of abuse and got right in my face. At first I backed off but it carried on and eventually he called me a black. I turned back, pushed my way into his flat and laid him out with a couple blows.
I got a caution for this but now I live under a racist with my young kids of colour and it is eating at me!
The police were excellent and told me they try their hardest to punish racial motivated crimes and, I also got wind that he has 4 previous complaints against him for assault, two of which were racially motivated.
Now, the officer who interviewed me read out one of the "victims" statements (his girlfriend) who was pretty biased as you can imagine, but did mention off her own back that he called me a black.
Now I'm not one for the tit-for-tat business, but I was wondering how likely would it be, if I played up on it a bit, that I could get him out of the flat above (whether that's prison time, or just an eviction)?
His parents own the flat and he is basically a tenant up there.
If there's no chance of him being booted from the flat, I won't put in a complaint as it wouldn't get anywhere
Any advice appreciated
Thanks
Well, I've had a bit of a s
t weekend! It started with my problem neighbour (who lives above me in a 3 storey, block of 12 flats) coming home from a night out. 4am and he proceeds to stamp his feet hard down the corridor and shout out "wake the fk up". It woke me up so, long story short, I popped up and knocked at his door to ask what he thinks he was playing at. He came at me with a barrage of abuse and got right in my face. At first I backed off but it carried on and eventually he called me a black
. I turned back, pushed my way into his flat and laid him out with a couple blows. I got a caution for this but now I live under a racist
with my young kids of colour and it is eating at me!The police were excellent and told me they try their hardest to punish racial motivated crimes and, I also got wind that he has 4 previous complaints against him for assault, two of which were racially motivated.
Now, the officer who interviewed me read out one of the "victims" statements (his girlfriend) who was pretty biased as you can imagine, but did mention off her own back that he called me a black
. Now I'm not one for the tit-for-tat business, but I was wondering how likely would it be, if I played up on it a bit, that I could get him out of the flat above (whether that's prison time, or just an eviction)?
His parents own the flat and he is basically a tenant up there.
If there's no chance of him being booted from the flat, I won't put in a complaint as it wouldn't get anywhere
Any advice appreciated
Thanks
Edited by DeanR32 on Sunday 30th March 14:34
DeanR32 said:
He came at me with a barrage of abuse and got right in my face. At first I backed off but it carried on and eventually he called me a black . I turned back, pushed my way into his flat and laid him out with a couple blows.
He abused you with words and you responded with violence. That isn't a proportionate response. Believe me, I'm no defender of racist t. I turned back, pushed my way into his flat and laid him out with a couple blows. ts but you've given him the upper hand I'm afraid. I think you should count yourself very lucky to get off with a caution and leave it there.
If I was living in your flats, I'd rather have a loud mouthed racist neighbour than a violent one. Ideally I'd want neither.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
He abused you with words and you responded with violence. That isn't a proportionate response. Believe me, I'm no defender of racist tts but you've given him the upper hand I'm afraid.
100% correct.ts but you've given him the upper hand I'm afraid. If I was you, I wouldnt have gone up there at all. People make up all kind of stories. Do you know he could have still made up the story that you assaulted him even if you didnt. If I did go upstairs, I would have gone up there with my video camera rolling. Nothing beats video evidence these days.
DeanR32 said:
I hear what you're saying twig. The right thing to do would be walk away. I'm not sure any man could have backed down from the abuse he was giving. And to top it with a bit of racist abuse was the cherry on top. Even the police said I was morally right
Loads of people walk away from abuse, including racist abuse. If the police said you were morally right, then they're idiots. You weren't in any way right. He didn't lay a finger on you, and you attacked him. If he'd fallen badly and cracked his head, you could be looking at a murder charge, or manslaughter at best. How is that protecting your kids? Going inside for 5 yrs.
Use your brain. Especially when dealing with
s who haven't got one. DeanR32 said:
I hear what you're saying twig. The right thing to do would be walk away. I'm not sure any man could have backed down from the abuse he was giving. And to top it with a bit of racist abuse was the cherry on top. Even the police said I was morally right
I feel for you. I really do cause I understand where you are coming from. I am surprised you accepted a caution though. You do realize that the caution is recorded on your criminal record and unless there was an independent witness or his face was seriously bashed in, I don't see how you could have been successfully prosecuted.Eclassy said:
I feel for you. I really do cause I understand where you are coming from. I am surprised you accepted a caution though. You do realize that the caution is recorded on your criminal record and unless there was an independent witness or his face was seriously bashed in, I don't see how you could have been successfully prosecuted.
This is sense. The caution is the easy option for the police. You really do need to have some sort of legal advice present if you are interviewed by the police.I'd also hope the police aren't going to ignore the racist abuse element.
DeanR32 said:
Hi all
Now I'm not one for the tit-for-tat business, but I was wondering how likely would it be, if I played up on it a bit, that I could get him out of the flat above (whether that's prison time, or just an eviction)?
Don't you bloody well dare! Playing the race card to get your own way, that makes you lower than the bloke who abused you with words. Now I'm not one for the tit-for-tat business, but I was wondering how likely would it be, if I played up on it a bit, that I could get him out of the flat above (whether that's prison time, or just an eviction)?
There's enough people already in this world playing that trick and they are all
s.barker22 said:
DeanR32 said:
Hi all
Now I'm not one for the tit-for-tat business, but I was wondering how likely would it be, if I played up on it a bit, that I could get him out of the flat above (whether that's prison time, or just an eviction)?
Don't you bloody well dare! Playing the race card to get your own way, that makes you lower than the bloke who abused you with words. Now I'm not one for the tit-for-tat business, but I was wondering how likely would it be, if I played up on it a bit, that I could get him out of the flat above (whether that's prison time, or just an eviction)?
There's enough people already in this world playing that trick and they are all
s.People who "play" the race card deserve racial abuse to be honest, just the same as homosexuals who "camp it up" to get a response deserve a bit of homophobia.
You're a big boy, you'll have heard it all before, grow up and walk away.
That's the issue with flats..
We used to have that S@@@ all the time with people coming in at all hours, playing fifa at full volume at all hours, not nice, and it sounds like you've got a right w@@@@ of a neighbour..
Work harder earn more dough and get yourself a nice house. Sorted.
All that aside, the guy above totally agree with the guy above me, by even saying you are going to "play on it" makes you low my eyes, and to me that sums up everything that is wrong with this country.
We used to have that S@@@ all the time with people coming in at all hours, playing fifa at full volume at all hours, not nice, and it sounds like you've got a right w@@@@ of a neighbour..
Work harder earn more dough and get yourself a nice house. Sorted.
All that aside, the guy above totally agree with the guy above me, by even saying you are going to "play on it" makes you low my eyes, and to me that sums up everything that is wrong with this country.
I'm going to et kicked for this but having been in a similar position, I speak from experience.
Right now, tings are escalating. He's a racist - you're a thug - I suspect neither of you want the crap that this is turning to.
He's done bad, so have you. If you can accept that, then you are the better person.
He's an idiot - you might not be.
Drop him a note saying that things have got out of hand and you realise you shouldn't have done what you did. Knock on his door with beer or wine and chocolates for his slapper.
If that doesn't fix it - bum his dog.
Right now, tings are escalating. He's a racist - you're a thug - I suspect neither of you want the crap that this is turning to.
He's done bad, so have you. If you can accept that, then you are the better person.
He's an idiot - you might not be.
Drop him a note saying that things have got out of hand and you realise you shouldn't have done what you did. Knock on his door with beer or wine and chocolates for his slapper.
If that doesn't fix it - bum his dog.
barker22 said:
There's enough people already in this world playing that trick and they are all s.
Ahh. I took "playing it up" to mean exaggerating or embellishing on the late night wake up calls etc...council usually listen to these and will sometimes move people on. I'm all for it re persons like the OP's friend. s.If he was on about the race aspect, then I agree, and grow up.
The playing up bit would be me saying I'm worried for my safety living under a racist with complaints made against him for assault with racial motive, or whatever it's called. And I'd only do that to get him out of the flat he's in. It's the reason I asked on here. To see if there was any chance of him being moved on.
You know, the amount of times I've had to have words with this bloke and he's always apologised as he's always been in the wrong. Not anything racist but just a bloody nuisance. This took me by surprise I must say.
Maybe I asked the wrong people. The seven years of st pretty much came to a head when he got so close to my face I could smell his breath. For a bloke to get in your face that close and say "I woke you up on purpose, and you're a . What you gonna do about it" amongst a ton of other stuff, it was pretty hard to leave him alone, and I did until he uttered the comment about the colour of my skin.
The officer who interviewed me did also say, I can't imagine what it'd be like to be on the receiving end of racism, and therefore I can only condemn what you did because it's against the law.
It's wrong I know. The law states that. All I'm really asking is if there's a chance of getting him out if I were to put in yet another complaint of racism. That isn't made up. I just thought if I made it seem like I'm worried for me and my children's safety, then maybe there'd be a change to get rid. I don't want him round my kids, and it niggles at me to say the least that he may look at em and think something racist.
Do you guys not see anything other than the black and white?
Edited to just say again, he was and is racist. I'd only be telling the police and telling them I'm making a formal complaint, with a statement sYing I'm worried of reprisals.
You know, the amount of times I've had to have words with this bloke and he's always apologised as he's always been in the wrong. Not anything racist but just a bloody nuisance. This took me by surprise I must say.
Maybe I asked the wrong people. The seven years of s
t pretty much came to a head when he got so close to my face I could smell his breath. For a bloke to get in your face that close and say "I woke you up on purpose, and you're a . What you gonna do about it" amongst a ton of other stuff, it was pretty hard to leave him alone, and I did until he uttered the comment about the colour of my skin. The officer who interviewed me did also say, I can't imagine what it'd be like to be on the receiving end of racism, and therefore I can only condemn what you did because it's against the law.
It's wrong I know. The law states that. All I'm really asking is if there's a chance of getting him out if I were to put in yet another complaint of racism. That isn't made up. I just thought if I made it seem like I'm worried for me and my children's safety, then maybe there'd be a change to get rid. I don't want him round my kids, and it niggles at me to say the least that he may look at em and think something racist.
Do you guys not see anything other than the black and white?
Edited to just say again, he was and is racist. I'd only be telling the police and telling them I'm making a formal complaint, with a statement sYing I'm worried of reprisals.
Edited by DeanR32 on Sunday 30th March 18:40
eldar said:
This is sense. The caution is the easy option for the police.
The OP has fully admitted assaulting another in an unprovoked (physically) attack. No self defence, and by the OP's admission, an out and out assault. What would you rather see the OP get? What you've basically said there is "get a solicitor, they might be able to get you off something you've done". Is that the kind of society you want to live in?! Or have I misunderstood you?Dean, I did reply to you right at the start.
Are they council owned, or private flats? If they are council, report to them, and keep a log of all the late night noise etc etc. you'll have a good case for getting him warned or maybe moved.
If they are private flats, you might struggle. You might be able to look at an ASBO scenario, but it would depend on the situation in full.
Are they council owned, or private flats? If they are council, report to them, and keep a log of all the late night noise etc etc. you'll have a good case for getting him warned or maybe moved.
If they are private flats, you might struggle. You might be able to look at an ASBO scenario, but it would depend on the situation in full.
DeanR32 said:
The playing up bit would be me saying I'm worried for my safety living under a racist with complaints made against him for assault with racial motive, or whatever it's called. And I'd only do that to get him out of the flat he's in. It's the reason I asked on here. To see if there was any chance of him being moved on.
You know, the amount of times I've had to have words with this bloke and he's always apologised as he's always been in the wrong. Not anything racist but just a bloody nuisance. This took me by surprise I must say.
Maybe I asked the wrong people. The seven years of st pretty much came to a head when he got so close to my face I could smell his breath. For a bloke to get in your face that close and say "I woke you up on purpose, and you're a . What you gonna do about it" amongst a ton of other stuff, it was pretty hard to leave him alone, and I did until he uttered the comment about the colour of my skin.
The officer who interviewed me did also say, I can't imagine what it'd be like to be on the receiving end of racism, and therefore I can only condemn what you did because it's against the law.
It's wrong I know. The law states that. All I'm really asking is if there's a chance of getting him out if I were to put in yet another complaint of racism. That isn't made up. I just thought if I made it seem like I'm worried for me and my children's safety, then maybe there'd be a change to get rid. I don't want him round my kids, and it niggles at me to say the least that he may look at em and think something racist.
Do you guys not see anything other than the black and white?
Edited to just say again, he was and is racist. I'd only be telling the police and telling them I'm making a formal complaint, with a statement sYing I'm worried of reprisals.
Dean.You know, the amount of times I've had to have words with this bloke and he's always apologised as he's always been in the wrong. Not anything racist but just a bloody nuisance. This took me by surprise I must say.
Maybe I asked the wrong people. The seven years of s
t pretty much came to a head when he got so close to my face I could smell his breath. For a bloke to get in your face that close and say "I woke you up on purpose, and you're a . What you gonna do about it" amongst a ton of other stuff, it was pretty hard to leave him alone, and I did until he uttered the comment about the colour of my skin. The officer who interviewed me did also say, I can't imagine what it'd be like to be on the receiving end of racism, and therefore I can only condemn what you did because it's against the law.
It's wrong I know. The law states that. All I'm really asking is if there's a chance of getting him out if I were to put in yet another complaint of racism. That isn't made up. I just thought if I made it seem like I'm worried for me and my children's safety, then maybe there'd be a change to get rid. I don't want him round my kids, and it niggles at me to say the least that he may look at em and think something racist.
Do you guys not see anything other than the black and white?
Edited to just say again, he was and is racist. I'd only be telling the police and telling them I'm making a formal complaint, with a statement sYing I'm worried of reprisals.
Edited by DeanR32 on Sunday 30th March 18:40
I, like a lot of people, am white, (I'm not really, I'm Pink, but you aren't black either).
I have never experienced racism in my life, neither am I going to, as I don't plan on living anywhere I'm not the majority, I don't think I've ever practised racism on anyone.
"Playing" the race card, in my opinion, puts you on the same level, if not below the racists, I have nothing to fear from racists, they can cause me no issues, a black guy prepared to play the race card to get his own way can cause me , and others like me, a whole load of s
te because of PC crap.I'm more worried by you, and people like you, than I am by "him".
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