People that floor it when you overtake...
Discussion
Just wondering if there's any law against this? If so are people ever prosecuted?
I see this so often, one min they're doing 45 in a 60 but as soon as you indicate and try to overtake they floor it.
Another thing that I see regularly is people trying to close the gap so an overtaking car can't get in between the car it's overtaken and the car in front, effectively forcing the overtaking car into a head on collision with oncoming traffic.
Would anyone doing the above be prosecuted for dangerous driving?
I see this so often, one min they're doing 45 in a 60 but as soon as you indicate and try to overtake they floor it.
Another thing that I see regularly is people trying to close the gap so an overtaking car can't get in between the car it's overtaken and the car in front, effectively forcing the overtaking car into a head on collision with oncoming traffic.
Would anyone doing the above be prosecuted for dangerous driving?
Would all fall under careless/inconsiderate and indeed dangerous driving. Of course, that would be down to BiB witnessing it, or video proof...
Just realised your question was a two parter... People get prosecuted when the Police witness it, or as I say above, there is other proof. Third party reporting of traffic offences doesn't tend to go very far, unless anyone here has experience otherwise?
Just realised your question was a two parter... People get prosecuted when the Police witness it, or as I say above, there is other proof. Third party reporting of traffic offences doesn't tend to go very far, unless anyone here has experience otherwise?
Edited by Adam675 on Friday 2nd May 16:30
I have had BIB in plain cars do this to me before. How do I know? Cos I was stopped by the baiting b
ds as I had to increase my speed to beyond the limit to complete the manoeuver.
Yes I know, should have thought they might be regular assholes likely to do this before I started the pass etc, but they were going so slow in NSL, and the road was clear for the pass within the limit had they not been awkward. It was safer to unleash the horses advantage I had than predict what they would do if I eased off to tuck in behind.
So my guess is that certain individuals in the force will not care one bit, unless you do it to them of course...
ds as I had to increase my speed to beyond the limit to complete the manoeuver. Yes I know, should have thought they might be regular assholes likely to do this before I started the pass etc, but they were going so slow in NSL, and the road was clear for the pass within the limit had they not been awkward. It was safer to unleash the horses advantage I had than predict what they would do if I eased off to tuck in behind.
So my guess is that certain individuals in the force will not care one bit, unless you do it to them of course...
Adam675 said:
Would all fall under careless/inconsiderate and indeed dangerous driving. Of course, that would be down to BiB witnessing it, or video proof...
Just realised your question was a two parter... People get prosecuted when the Police witness it, or as I say above, there is other proof. Third party reporting of traffic offences doesn't tend to go very far, unless anywhere here has experience otherwise?
Thanks for this, makes me happier knowing that, although it must be very difficult to successfully prosecute without the video evidence or witness statements from the BIB as you say. Just realised your question was a two parter... People get prosecuted when the Police witness it, or as I say above, there is other proof. Third party reporting of traffic offences doesn't tend to go very far, unless anywhere here has experience otherwise?
Edited by Adam675 on Friday 2nd May 15:22
It's such a dangerous and irresponsible thing to do without even mentioning about how malicious doing such a thing is.
Grrrrrrr makes my blood boil!
Ultimately, some people shouldn't be on the roads, and it is unfortunate that this probably won't change any time soon. The sort of people who get angry about being overtaken, and just can't relax after it happens.
@La Liga, I seem to remember that too... Something about ending up in court and losing your job being "a right bit of banter."
@La Liga, I seem to remember that too... Something about ending up in court and losing your job being "a right bit of banter."
The Highway Code is quite clear on this. Indeed, you should be prepared to slow if a vehicle overtakes. A case of dangerous driving before a fatal accident used as evidence the driver's quote: 'It's not up to me to do anything. I just carried on accelerating.' as evidence. After much discussion (and against my suggestion) it was reduced to careless, to which the driver pleaded, after which, when she left court, she said she'd appeal against her conviction.
Not sure how that works.
But the magistrate was concerned about her lack of appreciation as to how things worked on the road.
I've often thought that I have a sixth sense, an X-Men ability, to increase the speed of a car on the road merely by pulling out into the other lane on a single carriageway road.
Not sure how that works.
But the magistrate was concerned about her lack of appreciation as to how things worked on the road.
I've often thought that I have a sixth sense, an X-Men ability, to increase the speed of a car on the road merely by pulling out into the other lane on a single carriageway road.
La Liga said:
We're trained to try and cause fatal collisions when in unmarked cars. Always a laugh.
Obviously not trained very well. Wasn't unmarked, but a police van driver did it to me a little while ago [*]. I don't know whether the driver was laughing, but I found it extraordinarily easy to predict what they would do if I eased off to tuck in behind. I wasn't even slightly close to being killed.[*] Presumably, being as human as everyone else, the driver just made a poor decision. Not great, but hardly the end of the world, and not at all difficult to deal with, without threat to life or licence.
Adam675 said:
Ultimately, some people shouldn't be on the roads, and it is unfortunate that this probably won't change any time soon. The sort of people who get angry about being overtaken, and just can't relax after it happens.
Agree entirely with that. It's such a British thing too, I'm sure this sort of behaviour isn't as common in other countries yet we are supposed to be some of the safest drivers.I experienced some very strange behaviour from an unmarked car - nothing like the story above thankfully but I was disappointed at the driving standard. Driving along the M3 late at night, completely empty motorway there was a dark coloured Volvo obliviously sitting in the outside lane. The driver had his sat-nav positioned in the middle of his windscreen on full brightness. One min he was doing well below 70, the next much faster. After moving from the inside lane to the outside and waiting a few mins I very briefly flashed him (with my lights
).Patiently I waited then after a few more mins of his fast/slow driving I indicated and moved back to the inside lane. He stayed in the outside lane. I assumed due to the positioning of his sat-nav he wouldn't be a Police driver but whilst having to watch his driving from the inside lane for several more mins I saw that he was.
Eventually I pulled back into the outside lane and flashed him again (I really wanted to complain about his driving).
At this point he put the blue lights on. He didn't pull me over, he just turned them off and sped away.
The cynic in me says he may have been trying to goad me into being aggressive or dangerous... or he might have just been tired and not paying attention.
It's a very different story to the one above but would be reassuring to know this isn't a common practice for unmarked cars.
Derek Smith said:
The Highway Code is quite clear on this. Indeed, you should be prepared to slow if a vehicle overtakes. A case of dangerous driving before a fatal accident used as evidence the driver's quote: 'It's not up to me to do anything. I just carried on accelerating.' as evidence. After much discussion (and against my suggestion) it was reduced to careless, to which the driver pleaded, after which, when she left court, she said she'd appeal against her conviction.
Not sure how that works.
But the magistrate was concerned about her lack of appreciation as to how things worked on the road.
I've often thought that I have a sixth sense, an X-Men ability, to increase the speed of a car on the road merely by pulling out into the other lane on a single carriageway road.
Great reply, thank you Not sure how that works.
But the magistrate was concerned about her lack of appreciation as to how things worked on the road.
I've often thought that I have a sixth sense, an X-Men ability, to increase the speed of a car on the road merely by pulling out into the other lane on a single carriageway road.
And at the risk of sounding too American great job.
Very good to know people with your attitude are policing our roads.
git-r said:
Agree entirely with that. It's such a British thing too, I'm sure this sort of behaviour isn't as common in other countries yet we are supposed to be some of the safest drivers.
I experienced some very strange behaviour from an unmarked car - nothing like the story above thankfully but I was disappointed at the driving standard. Driving along the M3 late at night, completely empty motorway there was a dark coloured Volvo obliviously sitting in the outside lane. The driver had his sat-nav positioned in the middle of his windscreen on full brightness. One min he was doing well below 70, the next much faster. After moving from the inside lane to the outside and waiting a few mins I very briefly flashed him (with my lights).
Patiently I waited then after a few more mins of his fast/slow driving I indicated and moved back to the inside lane. He stayed in the outside lane. I assumed due to the positioning of his sat-nav he wouldn't be a Police driver but whilst having to watch his driving from the inside lane for several more mins I saw that he was.
Eventually I pulled back into the outside lane and flashed him again (I really wanted to complain about his driving).
At this point he put the blue lights on. He didn't pull me over, he just turned them off and sped away.
The cynic in me says he may have been trying to goad me into being aggressive or dangerous... or he might have just been tired and not paying attention.
It's a very different story to the one above but would be reassuring to know this isn't a common practice for unmarked cars.
and you evidence to suggest this muppet was a Police Officer, or other legitmate emergency services driver ? I experienced some very strange behaviour from an unmarked car - nothing like the story above thankfully but I was disappointed at the driving standard. Driving along the M3 late at night, completely empty motorway there was a dark coloured Volvo obliviously sitting in the outside lane. The driver had his sat-nav positioned in the middle of his windscreen on full brightness. One min he was doing well below 70, the next much faster. After moving from the inside lane to the outside and waiting a few mins I very briefly flashed him (with my lights
).Patiently I waited then after a few more mins of his fast/slow driving I indicated and moved back to the inside lane. He stayed in the outside lane. I assumed due to the positioning of his sat-nav he wouldn't be a Police driver but whilst having to watch his driving from the inside lane for several more mins I saw that he was.
Eventually I pulled back into the outside lane and flashed him again (I really wanted to complain about his driving).
At this point he put the blue lights on. He didn't pull me over, he just turned them off and sped away.
The cynic in me says he may have been trying to goad me into being aggressive or dangerous... or he might have just been tired and not paying attention.
It's a very different story to the one above but would be reassuring to know this isn't a common practice for unmarked cars.
unfortunately there are some sellers of emergency warning devices who make no attempt to verify right of use when selling blues, greens or noise...
mph1977 said:
and you evidence to suggest this muppet was a Police Officer, or other legitmate emergency services driver ?
unfortunately there are some sellers of emergency warning devices who make no attempt to verify right of use when selling blues, greens or noise...
- pretty certain he was dressed in uniform. unfortunately there are some sellers of emergency warning devices who make no attempt to verify right of use when selling blues, greens or noise...
git-r said:
mph1977 said:
and you evidence to suggest this muppet was a Police Officer, or other legitmate emergency services driver ?
unfortunately there are some sellers of emergency warning devices who make no attempt to verify right of use when selling blues, greens or noise...
- pretty certain he was dressed in uniform. unfortunately there are some sellers of emergency warning devices who make no attempt to verify right of use when selling blues, greens or noise...
Adam675 said:
I genuinely don't know why I come to this part of the forum... some people need to change the record from time to time, or just bore off entirely.
I guess that your are not carrying the observation powers of most plod and missed the bit I wrote about "some individuals" and not "all coppers" as you seem to have invented all on your little lonesome.Generally, I have respect for the police having spent some time associating with them both at work and socially, but the odd one or two do their best to screw it up for the rest of the good guys as in these instances I experienced.
Still, glad to see that you made the most of pointing out your observation deficit on your 12th post and thereby accused me of being something I am not.
Edited by SeeFive on Friday 2nd May 23:07
mph1977 said:
and you evidence to suggest this muppet was a Police Officer, or other legitmate emergency services driver ?
unfortunately there are some sellers of emergency warning devices who make no attempt to verify right of use when selling blues, greens or noise...
In the interests of being fair and giving the benefit of the doubt, a flash of the lights before getting out of the way might have been his way of apologising for the inattentiveness. unfortunately there are some sellers of emergency warning devices who make no attempt to verify right of use when selling blues, greens or noise...
SeeFive said:
I guess that your are not carrying the observation powers of most plod and missed the bit I wrote about "some individuals" and not "all coppers" as you seem to have invented all on your little lonesome.
Generally, I have respect for the police having spent some time associating with them both at work and socially, but the odd one or two do their best to screw it up for the rest of the good guys as in these instances I experienced.
Still, glad to see that you made the most of pointing out your observation deficit on your 12th post and thereby accused me of being something I am not.
A - This thread had entirely nothing to do with slagging of old bill, be it all of them or certain individuals, so I pointed out that I didn't feel that it was a worthwhile post here.Generally, I have respect for the police having spent some time associating with them both at work and socially, but the odd one or two do their best to screw it up for the rest of the good guys as in these instances I experienced.
Still, glad to see that you made the most of pointing out your observation deficit on your 12th post and thereby accused me of being something I am not.
Edited by SeeFive on Friday 2nd May 23:07
B - Not entirely sure what post count has do to with it... unless it was just being used to mark a post as reference? The below being that post...
Adam675 said:
Ultimately, some people shouldn't be on the roads, and it is unfortunate that this probably won't change any time soon. The sort of people who get angry about being overtaken, and just can't relax after it happens.
C - Post "12" was aimed at those who were the subject of the first post, not yourself. Pot, kettle, black with those observational skills! D - I'm not looking to get in an argument on the internet, but some people use any excuse to slag off a profession that on the whole, does a lot more good than it does harm. Not enough people speak up against that, and so why shouldn't I?
See C, be less offended and secure in the knowledge that it wasn't aimed at you, shake my imaginary internet hand, and move on.
Edited by Adam675 on Saturday 3rd May 03:45
Forums | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff