PCN for dropping someone off at a bus stop.
Discussion
Right, as per title, I did indeed drop someone off at a bus stop with thick yellow line (barely though half in, half out the box). absolute offence no question that I deserve the penalty... However, here's the messy bits... I'll time line it to make it easy..
-Moved house in July '13
-Parking offence in Sept '13
-Updated DVLA records for car in Nov '13 (yes, I know, 4 months late, but we won't worry about that in this context)
-*PCN issued in Jan '14 (4 months later) but issued to old address - this was confirmed by phone call to issuing authority as first instance of notification.
-Received final demand letter in May '14 with additional fines, to new address.
So, here's the queries
-The penalty was issued 4 months after event... Is there a limit to how long they have to issue ticket, like the 14 days for speed cameras.
-The fact that the penalty was issued after RO details were updated, but still sent to old address
-as I know the offence was committed. Could a negotiate a payment of the original penalty (plus a modest admin fee) rather than the extortionate additional fees as they sent to wrong address and the took 4 months to chase.
In all of the above. The 'first person' perspective is actually my car share buddy, not actually me...
-Moved house in July '13
-Parking offence in Sept '13
-Updated DVLA records for car in Nov '13 (yes, I know, 4 months late, but we won't worry about that in this context)
-*PCN issued in Jan '14 (4 months later) but issued to old address - this was confirmed by phone call to issuing authority as first instance of notification.
-Received final demand letter in May '14 with additional fines, to new address.
So, here's the queries
-The penalty was issued 4 months after event... Is there a limit to how long they have to issue ticket, like the 14 days for speed cameras.
-The fact that the penalty was issued after RO details were updated, but still sent to old address
-as I know the offence was committed. Could a negotiate a payment of the original penalty (plus a modest admin fee) rather than the extortionate additional fees as they sent to wrong address and the took 4 months to chase.
In all of the above. The 'first person' perspective is actually my car share buddy, not actually me...
You hear about this more and more often
The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to f
k right off and take me to the small claims court.
Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to f
k right off and take me to the small claims court.Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
SVTRick said:
You hear about this more and more often
The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to fk right off and take me to the small claims court.
Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
A different take on it.The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to f
k right off and take me to the small claims court.Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
I'm a bus driver.
We are having HUGE problems with people 'just dropping' someone off at a bus stop.
Sadly, some peoples idea of dropping off involves ages unloading the passengers.
Is it not best in these circumstances, when dropping someone off, to not actually park or pull into bus stop, but to just stop in the middle of the road? Could you actually be issued a PCN, if you stopped on the main road next to the bus stop?
Seems only way to drop people of if you carnet actually park or stop at the side of the road.
Seems only way to drop people of if you carnet actually park or stop at the side of the road.
Sign up and start a thread on http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30 which is their council parking forum. They will be able to advise properly on this.
SVTRick said:
You hear about this more and more often
The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to fk right off and take me to the small claims court.
Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
Any other traffic laws you want to pick and choose people abide? Maybe London red routes? Yellow box junctions? No entry signs?The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to f
k right off and take me to the small claims court.Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
Dont think the op wanted a debate on bus stop usage for alighting passengers.
They wanted to know if the delay issuing makes the ticket invalid.
I am surprised the buddy didn't have mail redirection because its a dangerous hobby having a car reg to the wrong address.
I would of thought best off paying the ticket as the late change of address is the reason i believe the issuing was delayed and further digging and the dvla could issue a fine of up to £1000 for not updating the records sooner.
They wanted to know if the delay issuing makes the ticket invalid.
I am surprised the buddy didn't have mail redirection because its a dangerous hobby having a car reg to the wrong address.
I would of thought best off paying the ticket as the late change of address is the reason i believe the issuing was delayed and further digging and the dvla could issue a fine of up to £1000 for not updating the records sooner.
TC99 said:
SVTRick said:
You hear about this more and more often
The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
If private cars think it's ok to set down at Bus Stops they will undoubtedly impede buses and it would be a pain in the jacksie. The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
CaptainMorgan said:
Until you think how many more cars would be in your way if the buses 50+ passengers didnt use it and drove instead.
And when the bus is empty, or has a solitary old biddy rattling about?Not condoning parking in bus stops, but claiming busses have 50+ passengers for all but a fraction of their journey is b
ks.Cyberprog said:
IIRC You can file an out-of-time declaration for the PCN to reset it to the original fine. Clearly in this instance, it's their fault (or the DVLA's) that the letter has gone to the wrong address.
You can only do this once a Charge Certificate has been registered with the TEC - http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/northampton-bulk-...It is not clear from the OP whether it has reached the registration stage yet. Following the correct procedural route is essential where PCNs are concerned.
TopOnePercent said:
And when the bus is empty, or has a solitary old biddy rattling about?
Not condoning parking in bus stops, but claiming busses have 50+ passengers for all but a fraction of their journey is bks.
I can only assume you live in a small town or village if thats the case. The sort of area where there would be plenty of choice of places to drop someone off without using the bus stop. I still struggle to believe the under use though, If one old biddy is on the bus, firstly the bus company isnt going to run the service commercially and secondly the council certainly isnt going to pay for it to run if no one is using it. Not condoning parking in bus stops, but claiming busses have 50+ passengers for all but a fraction of their journey is b
ks.Think though, in a decent size town/city where this kind of thing happens (ie the service of a PCN via CCTV), even if you said the buses were only 50% full thats about 30 people. Then there is a bus every 10 min heading into town in each direction and you start to realise the numbers involved and the extra traffic/cars on the road. My town has about 8 main routes going into the town centre, over the course of an hour thats 6 buses per route, 48 buses carrying about 30 people per bus, so around 1440 extra cars trying to get into town.
Yeah, you're right, that'll make no difference at all. When they do arrive in town they'll all park on top of each other too.
CaptainMorgan said:
I can only assume you live in a small town or village if thats the case. The sort of area where there would be plenty of choice of places to drop someone off without using the bus stop. I still struggle to believe the under use though, If one old biddy is on the bus, firstly the bus company isnt going to run the service commercially and secondly the council certainly isnt going to pay for it to run if no one is using it.
You're wrong on both counts. I caught a bus back from taking my car to the bodyshop last week and I was the only passenger until we reached the nearest town 6 miles away. This is the norm outside the peak periods. The service runs hourly. The government provides subsidy grants to local authorities to run bus service which are not economically viable on their own. They do so for reasons of social necessity.That said, as in every other field, funding cuts are putting many routes at risk - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bus-...
How can I be wrong on both counts, it's paid for by the council, not a commercial service. I'm not saying every bus is full all the time, of course they'll be quiet times, I'm saying the buses reduce congestion and do more good than harm as far as holding cars up goes.
Out of curiosity where was this bus driving along with just you on its whole route?
Out of curiosity where was this bus driving along with just you on its whole route?
SVTRick said:
You hear about this more and more often
The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to fk right off and take me to the small claims court.
Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
You're quite right, I just wonder how far the self-serving Council jobsworths can push it before they are burned at the stakes as in Rome.The original issue dropping someone off, did it actually cause any problem.
Most likely not.
Its about time the motorist and the general public rose up against this sort of bully tactics
and misuse of street cameras. If enough people kicked up about it the court system would be overloaded
and there would be general unrest amongst the masses.
Sadly most people are happy to bend over and take it up the hole every time.
With the OP's issue some 4 months later after the fact
I will tell them to f
k right off and take me to the small claims court.Now a camera system to fine people with defective lights or using the phone, eating or drinking, picking their nose (pass the salt n pepper) while on the move would get my vote.
I don't see the French or Spanish people taking this sort of crap so why should we.
Just remember that it's voting time coming along, Euro elections this month and the next biggie is the General Election in 2015, so make a note of which party is responsible for the trivial parking or speeding fines when you tick the ballot box.
As for Conservative, Liberal or Labour, what a bunch of overpaid self-serving spineless individuals, indeed some might say what a pointless bunch of parasites, but I think that is cruel on the parasite.
No wonder the alternative parties are doing so well, as for voting UKIP, can't be any worse than voting for this bunch of useless twits.
CaptainMorgan said:
How can I be wrong on both counts, it's paid for by the council, not a commercial service. I'm not saying every bus is full all the time, of course they'll be quiet times, I'm saying the buses reduce congestion and do more good than harm as far as holding cars up goes.
Out of curiosity where was this bus driving along with just you on its whole route?
I'd say that's not true in my area. They created loads of bus lanes by blocking existing road space to other users, at peak times now these lanes stand mostly empty barring the very occasional bus whilst the remained of the traffic sits in huge jams.Out of curiosity where was this bus driving along with just you on its whole route?
Top this with bus stops that block the road rather than exist in lay-bys and you have a gridlock when ever they stop.
They don't reduce congestion and they definitely do more harm than good in my experience. That's without taking into account they run about at off peak times with hardly anyone on board.
If I had my day in charge I'd abolish bus lanes and force bus companies to buy smaller minibus type vehicle to run off peak.
Anyway, rant over!
OP, there must be some sorts of appeal service you can utilise. Have you been down this tribute yet?
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