Parking at work - private estate
Discussion
I'm sure from other threads I know the answer to this but I'll put it it out there for the 'more informed' amongst you to confirm for me.
The company I work for is one of 7 units on a private estate. At the entrance to the estate there's a sign stating its private property & a barrier which is on a timer (up at 6.30 am down at 7pm). It has CCTV with security offsite monitoring. Each company has 8 or 9 parking spaces but all have more vehicles to park than spaces (we have 35 staff) which leads to double parking, parking on the end of bays, blocking cars in (our own collegaues not another companies). Now one company (who have more spaces than staff) don't like the double parking & the estate manager has had double yellow lines painted around. This sorted the issue temporarily as the nearby DIY store said we could park in there, they now have said we can't so the 'extra' cars have gone back to double parking & parking on the yellow lines (obviously as its a private estate there are no traffic wardens so no tickets). However, said company have complained again about the dangers of double parking & emergency access (there's no problem with access) & the estate manager is now talking to these people about parking enforcement - http://www.ukparkingcontrol.com/ & signs will be going up this week (don't know what the wording will be obviously). He's also stated that he's negotiating with them to drop the price of tickets because he doesn't want the estate management company to get any money from any tickets issued.
After all that background, the question is this, is any ticket issued by UKPC enforceable? Again, at this point, there are no signs up yet to know what the wording would be but can any ticket issued in the future effectively be ignored?
Thanks for your help.
The company I work for is one of 7 units on a private estate. At the entrance to the estate there's a sign stating its private property & a barrier which is on a timer (up at 6.30 am down at 7pm). It has CCTV with security offsite monitoring. Each company has 8 or 9 parking spaces but all have more vehicles to park than spaces (we have 35 staff) which leads to double parking, parking on the end of bays, blocking cars in (our own collegaues not another companies). Now one company (who have more spaces than staff) don't like the double parking & the estate manager has had double yellow lines painted around. This sorted the issue temporarily as the nearby DIY store said we could park in there, they now have said we can't so the 'extra' cars have gone back to double parking & parking on the yellow lines (obviously as its a private estate there are no traffic wardens so no tickets). However, said company have complained again about the dangers of double parking & emergency access (there's no problem with access) & the estate manager is now talking to these people about parking enforcement - http://www.ukparkingcontrol.com/ & signs will be going up this week (don't know what the wording will be obviously). He's also stated that he's negotiating with them to drop the price of tickets because he doesn't want the estate management company to get any money from any tickets issued.
After all that background, the question is this, is any ticket issued by UKPC enforceable? Again, at this point, there are no signs up yet to know what the wording would be but can any ticket issued in the future effectively be ignored?
Thanks for your help.
Are the tickets enforceable? Yes and no... You'd be better signing up and posting on http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60 , moneysavingexpert and/or parkingprankster (google the latter two) for definitive answers.
There are issues such as how the 8 or 9 parkng spaces are linked to the business (are they part of the lease?), who is the landholder, what losses are incurred by the double parking (none or just a token few quid?
therefore the 'parking charge' isn't a geuine pre-estimate of loss - but the wind is changing direction on this particular argument at the moment 
) etc etc.
Intrigued by the estate manager wanting the 'price of tickets' to be dropped so the estate management company don't benefit... You're dealing with a nutjob (or several) and this could get very messy!
There are issues such as how the 8 or 9 parkng spaces are linked to the business (are they part of the lease?), who is the landholder, what losses are incurred by the double parking (none or just a token few quid?
therefore the 'parking charge' isn't a geuine pre-estimate of loss - but the wind is changing direction on this particular argument at the moment ) etc etc.Intrigued by the estate manager wanting the 'price of tickets' to be dropped so the estate management company don't benefit... You're dealing with a nutjob (or several) and this could get very messy!
It sounds like your company have annoyed your neighbours so much they've had to call in a parking company.
In terms of fines - I've no idea.
Perhaps they will be personal fines, perhaps they'll charge your company. Perhaps some cars will be banned from the carpark.
The fact you have more cars than spaces is your problem.
But your company made it everyone else's problem too.
It looks like you're the bad guys in this story.
In terms of fines - I've no idea.
Perhaps they will be personal fines, perhaps they'll charge your company. Perhaps some cars will be banned from the carpark.
The fact you have more cars than spaces is your problem.
But your company made it everyone else's problem too.
It looks like you're the bad guys in this story.
Snowboy said:
It sounds like your company have annoyed your neighbours so much they've had to call in a parking company.
The fact you have more cars than spaces is your problem.
But your company made it everyone else's problem too.
It looks like you're the bad guys in this story.
Its only one company out of the 7 units that have more spaces than cars & every other company also double parks/blocks their own vehicles in so no one company to blame.The fact you have more cars than spaces is your problem.
But your company made it everyone else's problem too.
It looks like you're the bad guys in this story.
We've already decided to move out but that's still 6 months away.
Bluebarge said:
It's probably a condition of your lease that you don't park outside the marked bays so the "fine" could potentially be forfeiture of your lease. In your shoes, I wouldn't kick up too much of a fuss.
Nothing in the lease about where to park apart from which are our allocated spaces.The offices will always house more staff than there is allocated parking for so with the restrictions/enforcement I suspect will be difficult to re-lease once ourselves & other companies leave.
The round robin emails about it suggest that only the one company which doesn't have an over allocation are in favour of the restrictions so it may come down to who shouts the loudest or stamps their feet.
I'll check out Pepipoo in the meantime.
Cheers
Winky151 said:
Its only one company out of the 7 units that have more spaces than cars & every other company also double parks/blocks their own vehicles in so no one company to blame.
We've already decided to move out but that's still 6 months away.
No ONE company to blame perhaps.We've already decided to move out but that's still 6 months away.
But in that case there are many companies to blame.
It's the companies job to make sure there's adequate parking for staff.
I can't imagine your staff will be happy to be told by management to double park and then get a ticket, which they are then told to ignore.
Chipping in, I was connected (Hi Winky!) with this company.
To expand a little further we moved in when we had less people and half the units weren't let. Additionally the public access road didn't have yellow lines on it, but people taking the piss and parking badly on that road that led to other another local business (thus blocking delivery lorries from reaching them) led to yellow lines being put there.
So it went from a state of 25 people into maybe 15 spaces with a decent overflow onto the access road, to 35 people into 9 spaces with no available overflow.
The real culprits in this were the Labour Government, who dictated in planning laws how many parking spaces were allowed for new office builds, and this estate was built in the dying years of their Government. Luckily I think the next office won't have this issue so much.
To expand a little further we moved in when we had less people and half the units weren't let. Additionally the public access road didn't have yellow lines on it, but people taking the piss and parking badly on that road that led to other another local business (thus blocking delivery lorries from reaching them) led to yellow lines being put there.
So it went from a state of 25 people into maybe 15 spaces with a decent overflow onto the access road, to 35 people into 9 spaces with no available overflow.
The real culprits in this were the Labour Government, who dictated in planning laws how many parking spaces were allowed for new office builds, and this estate was built in the dying years of their Government. Luckily I think the next office won't have this issue so much.
Winky151 said:
Nothing in the lease about where to park apart from which are our allocated spaces.
The offices will always house more staff than there is allocated parking for so with the restrictions/enforcement I suspect will be difficult to re-lease once ourselves & other companies leave.
The round robin emails about it suggest that only the one company which doesn't have an over allocation are in favour of the restrictions so it may come down to who shouts the loudest or stamps their feet.
I'll check out Pepipoo in the meantime.
Cheers
I would be surprised if there is not something in the lease that landlord could say you have breached as double parking and upsetting the neighbours can be cause for such a breach. I would do your best to play ball and wouldnt play hard ball with them. The offices will always house more staff than there is allocated parking for so with the restrictions/enforcement I suspect will be difficult to re-lease once ourselves & other companies leave.
The round robin emails about it suggest that only the one company which doesn't have an over allocation are in favour of the restrictions so it may come down to who shouts the loudest or stamps their feet.
I'll check out Pepipoo in the meantime.
Cheers
Snowboy said:
Winky151 said:
Its only one company out of the 7 units that have more spaces than cars & every other company also double parks/blocks their own vehicles in so no one company to blame.
We've already decided to move out but that's still 6 months away.
No ONE company to blame perhaps.We've already decided to move out but that's still 6 months away.
But in that case there are many companies to blame.
It's the companies job to make sure there's adequate parking for staff.
I can't imagine your staff will be happy to be told by management to double park and then get a ticket, which they are then told to ignore.
Edited by herewego on Tuesday 20th May 18:27
Cooperman said:
If employees can't park they will unhappy employees. This is then a big problem for the employers.
If it's a problem for the employers and has a negative effect on the business the companies will be looking to move out. This is then a problem for the owners of the complex.
Employers are under no obligation to provide parking. If it's a problem for the employers and has a negative effect on the business the companies will be looking to move out. This is then a problem for the owners of the complex.
At the ha building I work at its first come first serve.
jbsportstech said:
Employers are under no obligation to provide parking.
At the ha building I work at its first come first serve.
I realise that employers are under no obligation to provide parking, but if employees cannot park then they are under no obligation to continue their employment with the company. At the ha building I work at its first come first serve.
If skilled and qualified employees vote with their feet, that gives an employer a real problem. The ability to attract further employees, or replace those who might leave will be severely curtailed if, at interview, a candidate is told that there is no convenient parking.
The BIG question will be how far it is to walk to where legal and affordable parking is available.
Parking is always a contentious issue or commercial property estates whether they are offices, warehouses or whatever.
The lease will almost certainly say what action can be taken and of course the reality is they could just employ someone to man the barrier and only those with permits are permitted in. That would be expensive and paid for by the tenants through the service charge.
The lease will almost certainly say what action can be taken and of course the reality is they could just employ someone to man the barrier and only those with permits are permitted in. That would be expensive and paid for by the tenants through the service charge.
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