Police CKP course
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Evening PH,
Just wondering if there is anyone on here who has completed the CKP course to allow them to apply for some Police forces?
I've been a Special for just over four years, and decided that its what I want to do as a career. A lot of the bigger forces require you to have this CKP course (Hants, Met and I believe Devon and Cornwall).
I've looked into the course and its around 1,000, which is a lot of money for something that doesn't guarantee you anything! So want to see if its worth doing, before spending the money out.
I'm more than happy to be emailed if you don't want to talk about it on the forums.
Many thanks.
Just wondering if there is anyone on here who has completed the CKP course to allow them to apply for some Police forces?
I've been a Special for just over four years, and decided that its what I want to do as a career. A lot of the bigger forces require you to have this CKP course (Hants, Met and I believe Devon and Cornwall).
I've looked into the course and its around 1,000, which is a lot of money for something that doesn't guarantee you anything! So want to see if its worth doing, before spending the money out.
I'm more than happy to be emailed if you don't want to talk about it on the forums.
Many thanks.
Ki3r said:
lot of the bigger forces require you to have this CKP course (Hants, Met and I believe Devon and Cornwall).
I've looked into the course and its around 1,000,
Like you said, seems like a lot of notes to shell out on something that doesn't guarantee you a return.I've looked into the course and its around 1,000,
Have you considered applying to a force that doesn't require it? You could always transfer to one of those forces then anyway if you were unhappy with the first force.
Mk3Spitfire said:
Like you said, seems like a lot of notes to shell out on something that doesn't guarantee you a return.
Have you considered applying to a force that doesn't require it? You could always transfer to one of those forces then anyway if you were unhappy with the first force.
I have, sadly the forces I would like to apply for seem to require it (D&C, Hants, Met, A&S (possibly not with them), Thames Valley. I'm in Dorset and don't want to move too far for it, I had considered Scotland/Cumbria/West Mids, but want to stay close(ish) to friends and family.Have you considered applying to a force that doesn't require it? You could always transfer to one of those forces then anyway if you were unhappy with the first force.
The courses have been utterly slated as a cheap, money making exercise for the companies involved. But, it's part of Cameron's new, improved Police that you pay to join.
In my Force, being a Special means you don't have to pay for this legalised extortion. Are you sure you need to do it.
In my Force, being a Special means you don't have to pay for this legalised extortion. Are you sure you need to do it.
Elroy Blue said:
The courses have been utterly slated as a cheap, money making exercise for the companies involved. But, it's part of Cameron's new, improved Police that you pay to join.
In my Force, being a Special means you don't have to pay for this legalised extortion. Are you sure you need to do it.
I think it's the case in my force that you don't have to have a CKP if you are a serving special (with the required hours operational patrol & independent patrol status) in the force to which you are applying, but you might need it if you are a special from another force. Recruiting appears to be geared far more towards candidates from home turf than in previous years.In my Force, being a Special means you don't have to pay for this legalised extortion. Are you sure you need to do it.
vonhosen said:
La Liga said:
What a load of b
ks that is.
What's been said, or the principle behind CKP itself?ks that is. The Home Sec has said the public Fed funding is going to a scheme to attract graduates. Assuming the same criteria is present for them, "Hey debt-ridden grads. Want to pay more to even be able to apply?"
La Liga said:
vonhosen said:
La Liga said:
What a load of bks that is.
What's been said, or the principle behind CKP itself?ks that is. Others may argue that many other professions have to pay for an education tailored towards their future career choice before being guaranteed a place in that career.
La Liga said:
The Home Sec has said the public Fed funding is going to a scheme to attract graduates. Assuming the same criteria is present for them, "Hey debt-ridden grads. Want to pay more to even be able to apply?"
Can't see that being the sales pitch headline though.There isn't a shortage of graduate applicants now. About 25% of new entrants are graduates.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 25th May 12:03
La Liga said:
he principle. Having to pay 1k (assuming that's accurate) to even be able to apply isn't right.
The majority of other professions require you to have qualifications in order to practice. The cost of obtaining those qualifications is normally down to the candidate. Why should an aspiring Police officer get for free what people who choose other professions have to pay for?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
The majority of other professions require you to have qualifications in order to practice. The cost of obtaining those qualifications is normally down to the candidate.
I'd suggest that's when they're important to actually doing the job. The fact there are only a handful of forces who do this shows it isn't important to doing the job, and the fact you can bypass it if being a special.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
Why should an aspiring Police officer get for free what people who choose other professions have to pay for?
All the subject areas it covers are included in police training. La Liga said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
The majority of other professions require you to have qualifications in order to practice. The cost of obtaining those qualifications is normally down to the candidate.
I'd suggest that's when they're important to actually doing the job. The fact there are only a handful of forces who do this shows it isn't important to doing the job, and the fact you can bypass it if being a special.It'll be everywhere, it's from the College of Policing, they oversee the deliverers not the individual forces.
La Liga said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
Why should an aspiring Police officer get for free what people who choose other professions have to pay for?
All the subject areas it covers are included in police training. Just another way for forces to save money on training.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
La Liga said:
he principle. Having to pay 1k (assuming that's accurate) to even be able to apply isn't right.
The majority of other professions require you to have qualifications in order to practice. The cost of obtaining those qualifications is normally down to the candidate. Why should an aspiring Police officer get for free what people who choose other professions have to pay for?
1. to Professionalise the police who often get slated for ' you can join without any qualifications' - becasue the PIRT assesses all these rather than relying on you must have a level 2 qualification in English /Welsh / Literacy and an level2 Maths /Numeracy qualification plus a.n. other level 3 qualifications ( the entry standards for most other professional pre registration education and training ).
2. to try and address the attrition rates during probation and in the first couple of years post probation - attrition which in other Professions happens pre-qualification
Elroy Blue said:
The courses have been utterly slated as a cheap, money making exercise for the companies involved.
I've just looked at the content and some sample pages. It's like a worse version of Blackstones. Some ex and serving taking advantage of this: https://www.police-pass.co.uk/theteam.html
I have no problem with them making the most of an opportunity, and they're probably the best suited to teach, but not if it's unnecessary.
The 'course' is mainly home study and gives you a piece of paper (and makes the providers a nice profit). It doesn't give you anything that'll help you in the job.
As most Police training schools have been forced to close because of massive cuts, the course is just wallpaper to cover the very large cracks.
As most Police training schools have been forced to close because of massive cuts, the course is just wallpaper to cover the very large cracks.
mph1977 said:
1. to Professionalise the police who often get slated for ' you can join without any qualifications' - becasue the PIRT assesses all these rather than relying on you must have a level 2 qualification in English /Welsh / Literacy and an level2 Maths /Numeracy qualification plus a.n. other level 3 qualifications ( the entry standards for most other professional pre registration education and training).
Which is the best way to have an equal playing field and attempt to have a proportionally represented police service. If you're not capable of passing this, then you're not likely to get through the normal processes. The normal processes cover none of this:
-Using police powers in a fair and just way
-Social and community issues and neighbourhood policing
-Responding to incidents and providing initial support to victims and witnesses
-Searching premises and searching individuals within a policing context
-Participating in planned policing operations
-Interviewing witnesses and suspects
-Victim support
-The criminal justice system
-Legislation, policy and guidelines.
mph1977 said:
2. to try and address the attrition rates during probation and in the first couple of years post probation - attrition which in other Professions happens pre-qualification
Are the attrition rates that high? I can count single figures over the past 10 years where I work. People who leave the police at that stage do it because they don't like to fight / confrontation / the things they see / the shifts. I don't see how learning about victim support has anything to do with those factors.
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