Camera van on police patrol vehicles only area
Camera van on police patrol vehicles only area
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Russellely

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108 posts

194 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Driving home from work on the a3 out of town I saw a safety scamera partnership van parked far left behind some bushes on one of those raised sections next to the motorway. I was going at such a safe speed I was able to notice a sign that said police patrol vehicles only.

As the scamera van is not a police patrol vehicle should it be parked there? Or is it another case of we do what we want to try and catch as many unsafe drivers as possible?

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

159 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Russellely said:
Driving home from work on the a3 out of town I saw a safety scamera partnership van parked far left behind some bushes on one of those raised sections next to the motorway. I was going at such a safe speed I was able to notice a sign that said police patrol vehicles only.

As the scamera van is not a police patrol vehicle should it be parked there? Or is it another case of we do what we want to try and catch as many unsafe drivers as possible?
I find it unlikely that they would be moved on. A lot of planning and applications are completed before one of those is positioned, so I would imagine they are fine.

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

219 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Mk3Spitfire said:
I find it unlikely that they would be moved on. A lot of planning and applications are completed before one of those is positioned, so I would imagine they are fine.
Sadly

TheEnd

15,370 posts

219 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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I seem to remember HATO's being shooed off the Police ramps by the sides of motorways a good few years ago.

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

159 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Nigel Worc's said:
Sadly
Agreed

Impasse

15,099 posts

272 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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Only a short section of the A3 is a motorway (way down south) so maybe the regs for dual carriageway loitering are different for the Polaroid vans?

mph1977

12,467 posts

199 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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HA vehicles ate legitmate users of such locations as are SCP vehicles, it's freewibble to suggest otherwise

TPS

1,860 posts

244 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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TheEnd said:
I seem to remember HATO's being shooed off the Police ramps by the sides of motorways a good few years ago.

That would not have happened in my eyes.

Vosa and hatos are operated by the dft who own/operate the motorways.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

189 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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Russellely said:
As the scamera van is not a police patrol vehicle should it be parked there? Or is it another case of we do what we want to try and catch as many unsafe drivers as possible?
Police are one of the speed camera 'partnership', though they often play down their membership.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

240 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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TPS said:
TheEnd said:
I seem to remember HATO's being shooed off the Police ramps by the sides of motorways a good few years ago.

That would not have happened in my eyes.

Vosa and hatos are operated by the dft who own/operate the motorways.
Probably more to do with a visible presence patroling than any you aren't police you can't use it.

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

159 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
Police are one of the speed camera 'partnership', though they often play down their membership.
By putting police markings all over most of them, and with the majority of force websites talking about the partnership?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

189 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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Mk3Spitfire said:
By putting police markings all over most of them, and with the majority of force websites talking about the partnership?
I was thinking more of statements from police officers I know when disassociating themselves from the bad publicity: "It's not the police, it's the SCP".

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

159 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
I was thinking more of statements from police officers I know when disassociating themselves from the bad publicity: "It's not the police, it's the SCP".
Because it's not police officers in the vans. It's civilians. Because police officers have no say over where, when, or even the existence of the cameras may be.

Tirus

2,068 posts

151 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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This morning on a "B" road adjacent to our local golf club was a camera van with Police emblazoned all over it, it was off the road on what would pass as a pavement slightly behind a tree, the front facing camera was focused just outwards from a very busy bus stop a few yards away. The consequence of this is that as the cars passed the bus they were over the 30 limit?

After awhile (I was walking the dogs)on the opposite side of the road about 25yards away from the camera van a car pulled up very slowly as he realised the camera van was there (possibly caught?)as it was hard to see under the tree, this caused all the other traffic to slow down, it appeared at that point they realised there was a camera van opposite consequently all slowed down!
After a while a police officer came out of the van & started talking to the driver of the car & did a lot of talking on the radio & the car was moved on...wonder if the fine he gets (if he gets one) will cover the lost revenue covering the time he was there!?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

189 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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Mk3Spitfire said:
Rovinghawk said:
I was thinking more of statements from police officers I know when disassociating themselves from the bad publicity: "It's not the police, it's the SCP".
Because it's not police officers in the vans. It's civilians. Because police officers have no say over where, when, or even the existence of the cameras may be.
So the police are a partner but have no involvement?

Orwellian doubletalk at its finest.

jbsportstech

5,069 posts

210 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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TPS said:

That would not have happened in my eyes.

Vosa and hatos are operated by the dft who own/operate the motorways.
Yep not only that the I have known the ha position VIS units (Trailer based vehicle information signs) in them.

They are part of the ha network and I know ISUs can use them.

Dam if I want to stop on one with for survey purposes I can.

In my experience the police would not do camera van enforcement on a ha road without consultation ha and permission on their network.


Edited by jbsportstech on Wednesday 11th June 12:50

Landshark

2,117 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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TheEnd said:
I seem to remember HATO's being shooed off the Police ramps by the sides of motorways a good few years ago.
Hence why some were changed to, and new ones are 'Authorised Vehicles only'

The SCP is a seperate department mainly staffed by civilians located in an office building in Surrey. The vans carry police markings and blue lights. Surrey doesn't have an abundance of vans, so that's one thing to be thankful of!! wink