Bought parking ticket - parket outside bay - got ticket
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Hi,
Hi,
I parked at the privately managed parking at Three Bridges station this morning.
There were no marked bays free so I parked in front of one of the other cars who'd parked without a bay. There were a few of us.
We were not obstructing anyone but we were not in a marked bay. (One wonders if these areas remain unmarked so they can collect the fines...)
I then bought a £6 ticket
I have a parking fine for £90/£50 early payment for breaking their rules. Fine Literally.
But...I bought a ticket.
Anything I can do d'you think?
Thank you
Hi,
I parked at the privately managed parking at Three Bridges station this morning.
There were no marked bays free so I parked in front of one of the other cars who'd parked without a bay. There were a few of us.
We were not obstructing anyone but we were not in a marked bay. (One wonders if these areas remain unmarked so they can collect the fines...)
I then bought a £6 ticket
I have a parking fine for £90/£50 early payment for breaking their rules. Fine Literally.
But...I bought a ticket.
Anything I can do d'you think?
Thank you
DickusMaximus said:
Hi,
Was there a sign stating that 'customers' should park in marked bays only?But anyways, go to get your popla appeal code (http://www.popla.org.uk/) on the grounds of "Genuine pre estimate of loss" and follow the now very common procedure.
The parking company have not suffered a loss as you have stated you bought a ticket, so they may be wishing to go down the lines of 'obstruction' due to not parking in a bay?
What does the parking fine - sorry, parking charge - give as the reason?
DickusMaximus said:
AA999 said:
Was there a sign stating that 'customers' should park in marked bays only?
What does the parking fine - sorry, parking charge - give as the reason?
Excellent stuff - thank youWhat does the parking fine - sorry, parking charge - give as the reason?
Says 'ere - 'in breach of the terms and conditions'
I haven't checked for a sign but I will do so
You'll find on their sign it will say 'Park in Marked Bays only'.
It really isn't that difficult to understand, if no bays are free, you can't just park where you like.
Who 'manages' this car park? i.e. What is the name of the company who issued the ticket?
Does the ticket mention "Section 14" at all?
Does it mention that you can appeal to the issuer of the ticket, and then an independent appeal is available should the issuer refuse your appeal?
Does it mention that if the ticket remains unpaid it will go before a magistrates' court?
We need details - without giving us this info you have already received potentially bad advice upthread...
Does the ticket mention "Section 14" at all?
Does it mention that you can appeal to the issuer of the ticket, and then an independent appeal is available should the issuer refuse your appeal?
Does it mention that if the ticket remains unpaid it will go before a magistrates' court?
We need details - without giving us this info you have already received potentially bad advice upthread...
DickusMaximus said:
Hi,
We were not obstructing anyone but we were not in a marked bay. (One wonders if these areas remain unmarked so they can collect the fines...)
They can only collect fines if someone parks in said space - it generates absolutely nothing by itself, so if it was safe to park there a white line would prove infinitely more profitable - because despite what many assume, the majority of people park correctly.We were not obstructing anyone but we were not in a marked bay. (One wonders if these areas remain unmarked so they can collect the fines...)
Most railway parking is covered by local councils. Not always the case, but if it is the majority of the "advice" here has been incorrect.
Post over at www.pepipoo.com as you are likely to get better advice from there - they will want you to scan and post up all sides of the ticket you received.
aw51 121565 said:
Who 'manages' this car park? i.e. What is the name of the company who issued the ticket?
Does the ticket mention "Section 14" at all?
Does it mention that you can appeal to the issuer of the ticket, and then an independent appeal is available should the issuer refuse your appeal?
Does it mention that if the ticket remains unpaid it will go before a magistrates' court?
We need details - without giving us this info you have already received potentially bad advice upthread...
It's from Meteor, who manage it 'on behalf of Southern' Does the ticket mention "Section 14" at all?
Does it mention that you can appeal to the issuer of the ticket, and then an independent appeal is available should the issuer refuse your appeal?
Does it mention that if the ticket remains unpaid it will go before a magistrates' court?
We need details - without giving us this info you have already received potentially bad advice upthread...
No mention of S14 anywhere on the ticket
There is an appeal process - which is to Vinci Park Services in Watford and it states that 'disputes pertaining to the appeal may be referred to...POPLA, details of which will be supplied by the parking operator'
No mention of mags court
OP, you said you had received a fine. Did you actually mean a Parking Charge Notice?
DickusMaximus said:
aw51 121565 said:
Who 'manages' this car park? i.e. What is the name of the company who issued the ticket?
Does the ticket mention "Section 14" at all?
Does it mention that you can appeal to the issuer of the ticket, and then an independent appeal is available should the issuer refuse your appeal?
Does it mention that if the ticket remains unpaid it will go before a magistrates' court?
We need details - without giving us this info you have already received potentially bad advice upthread...
It's from Meteor, who manage it 'on behalf of Southern' Does the ticket mention "Section 14" at all?
Does it mention that you can appeal to the issuer of the ticket, and then an independent appeal is available should the issuer refuse your appeal?
Does it mention that if the ticket remains unpaid it will go before a magistrates' court?
We need details - without giving us this info you have already received potentially bad advice upthread...
No mention of S14 anywhere on the ticket
There is an appeal process - which is to Vinci Park Services in Watford and it states that 'disputes pertaining to the appeal may be referred to...POPLA, details of which will be supplied by the parking operator'
No mention of mags court
. Advice far upthread re: appealing to Meteor then to POPLA (when your appeal to Meteor fails 
) stands. Your appeal to VPS can contain any old sh
t but do include that their charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss (GPEOL - the money they are asking for doesn't represent their financial losses arising from your parking and as such is punitive) as well as you'd paid for a ticket so their loss arising from your parking is nil.If they reject this, post back (or on PePiPoo's "private and decrim parking" forum) for a more detailed appeal along the same lines to POPLA which will WIN.
You paid and they lost nowt, when all is said and done
.And as tonker has mentioned, if it was railway land then there is another enforcement regime in place (think: S.14 and mags
) . Others have alluded to railway land and parking thereon 
. The occasional PPC has been known to try for two bites at the cherry via an appeal to them followed by POPLA which is then followed by a summons to mags court (as per the parking on railway land thing mentioned upthread)...Perhaps post up on PePiPoo (as above, also earlier posts) now, to see if Meteor are one of these cheeky double-bite-at-the-cherry companies?
But if his did go to court, is it not up to the court to decide what is and isn't recoverable by a parking company.
The Parking enforcement company could argue these points below are losses due to breach of contract, which in this case they may be entitled to, and in reality they do provide a service to the landowner.
Erection and maintenance of the site signage.
Installation, monitoring and maintenance of the Automatic Number Plate Recognition Systems.
Employment of office-based administrative staff.
Membership and other fees required to manage the business effectively including those paid to the BPA, DVLA and ICO.
General costs including stationary, postage etc.
I know parking companies get a bad rep but i am sure there are limits on the amount of cars that can park on their land, and have to enforce this, as they could end up in breach of contract with the council for example.
The Parking enforcement company could argue these points below are losses due to breach of contract, which in this case they may be entitled to, and in reality they do provide a service to the landowner.
Erection and maintenance of the site signage.
Installation, monitoring and maintenance of the Automatic Number Plate Recognition Systems.
Employment of office-based administrative staff.
Membership and other fees required to manage the business effectively including those paid to the BPA, DVLA and ICO.
General costs including stationary, postage etc.
I know parking companies get a bad rep but i am sure there are limits on the amount of cars that can park on their land, and have to enforce this, as they could end up in breach of contract with the council for example.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Friday 13th June 06:56
The Spruce goose said:
But if his did go to court, is it not up to the court to decide what is and isn't recoverable by a parking company.
The Parking enforcement company could argue these points below are losses due to breach of contract, which in this case they may be entitled to, and in reality they do provide a service to the landowner.
Erection and maintenance of the site signage.
Installation, monitoring and maintenance of the Automatic Number Plate Recognition Systems.
Employment of office-based administrative staff.
Membership and other fees required to manage the business effectively including those paid to the BPA, DVLA and ICO.
General costs including stationary, postage etc.
I know parking companies get a bad rep but i am sure there are limits on the amount of cars that can park on their land, and have to enforce this, as they could end up in breach of contract with the council for example.
See the post by silverfoxcc here.The Parking enforcement company could argue these points below are losses due to breach of contract, which in this case they may be entitled to, and in reality they do provide a service to the landowner.
Erection and maintenance of the site signage.
Installation, monitoring and maintenance of the Automatic Number Plate Recognition Systems.
Employment of office-based administrative staff.
Membership and other fees required to manage the business effectively including those paid to the BPA, DVLA and ICO.
General costs including stationary, postage etc.
I know parking companies get a bad rep but i am sure there are limits on the amount of cars that can park on their land, and have to enforce this, as they could end up in breach of contract with the council for example.
bad company said:
Surely IF this is private land (not railway property) then the OP has paid so the car park owner has not suffered a loss. In that case what are they claiming for?
I would agree no loss, but by parking on their property he should also accept the terms and condition that go with parking there, he is of course free to park elsewhere.On the subject of private property versus Railway property, or indeed council run car parks, why should the parking/paying/penalty be any different ?
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