Work reportable offences
Work reportable offences
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PAULJ5555

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3,554 posts

207 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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I was watching one of the cops(UK) show the other day and a male nurse got pulled over and arrested for drink driving, when he was in front of the custody sergent they told him that because he was a nurse it would need to be reported to his boss by the police.

Is there some kind of list of jobs that drink/drug driving is reportable and why not all jobs?


Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

159 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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PAULJ5555 said:
Is there some kind of list of jobs that drink/drug driving is reportable and why not all jobs?
Essentially, yes.
When you're arrested a computerised set of questions is filled in which includes employers details. Someone in an office somewhere will then notify the employer if they fall within the notifiable category of the offence you've been arrested for. Never sure exactly which professions are on there but certainly things like NHS and teaching etc are.

AngryPartsBloke

1,439 posts

182 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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PAULJ5555 said:
I was watching one of the cops(UK) show the other day and a male nurse got pulled over and arrested for drink driving, when he was in front of the custody sergent they told him that because he was a nurse it would need to be reported to his boss by the police.

Is there some kind of list of jobs that drink/drug driving is reportable and why not all jobs?
It's a conviction that would appear on a CRB check, you have to declare all your unspent convictions.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

32,880 posts

248 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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There are also some instances where you have to declare a profession when appearing at magistrates court. An example would be if you hold a personal licence under the Licensing Act.

IanA2

2,897 posts

193 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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In this country, any offence, including traffic offences committed by a medical practitioner with a licence to practice are automatically referred to the GMC. For SP30's and the like, they are generally just filed. DD might be different, not sure. I imagine similar set up applies to nurses and the NMC.

NH1

1,333 posts

160 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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Are you even obliged to tell them what you do for a living, if they want to know then let them find out the hard way. If you give your name, DOB and address what more info do you have to tell them and what can they do about it if you say non of your business.

mph1977

12,467 posts

199 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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IanA2 said:
In this country, any offence, including traffic offences committed by a medical practitioner with a licence to practice are automatically referred to the GMC. For SP30's and the like, they are generally just filed. DD might be different, not sure. I imagine similar set up applies to nurses and the NMC.
the NMC say you do not need to inform of fixed penalties but any motoring offence that goes before the court and totting up bans need to be reported. Drink -driving may also fall foul of the rules surroundign registrations and substance misuse


http://www.nmc-uk.org/Registration/Staying-on-the-...

http://www.nmc-uk.org/Employers-and-managers/Fitne...

http://www.nmc-uk.org/Documents/Registration/Notif...

http://www.nmc-uk.org/documents/registration/drugs...

mph1977

12,467 posts

199 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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NH1 said:
Are you even obliged to tell them what you do for a living, if they want to know then let them find out the hard way. If you give your name, DOB and address what more info do you have to tell them and what can they do about it if you say non of your business.
which foir a Health proferssional would be evidence of intent to decieve and create further issues over your fitness to practice when the registration body discovers your charges...

the answer for none FPN motoring offences is a self report / self referral to the registration body ...

eldar

25,343 posts

227 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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NH1 said:
Are you even obliged to tell them what you do for a living, if they want to know then let them find out the hard way. If you give your name, DOB and address what more info do you have to tell them and what can they do about it if you say non of your business.
Don't tell him your name, Pike...

IanA2

2,897 posts

193 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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mph1977 said:
IanA2 said:
In this country, any offence, including traffic offences committed by a medical practitioner with a licence to practice are automatically referred to the GMC. For SP30's and the like, they are generally just filed. DD might be different, not sure. I imagine similar set up applies to nurses and the NMC.
the NMC say you do not need to inform of fixed penalties but any motoring offence that goes before the court and totting up bans need to be reported. Drink -driving may also fall foul of the rules surroundign registrations and substance misuse


http://www.nmc-uk.org/Registration/Staying-on-the-...

http://www.nmc-uk.org/Employers-and-managers/Fitne...

http://www.nmc-uk.org/Documents/Registration/Notif...

http://www.nmc-uk.org/documents/registration/drugs...
Interesting, I wonder why the NMC don't have the same arrangement with the powers that be that the GMC have?

IanA2

2,897 posts

193 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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mph1977 said:
NH1 said:
Are you even obliged to tell them what you do for a living, if they want to know then let them find out the hard way. If you give your name, DOB and address what more info do you have to tell them and what can they do about it if you say non of your business.
which for a Health professional would be evidence of intent to deceive and create further issues over your fitness to practice when the registration body discovers your charges...

the answer for none FPN motoring offences is a self report / self referral to the registration body ...
Quite.

untakenname

5,371 posts

223 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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Saw something similar on TV with a dumb bint (at least I think it was one as they blurred the face) that was an NHS manager crashing her landrover on the motorway, loosing a wheel and then carrying on a few hundred meters. Was quite interesting watching as they sobered up and realised the repercussions of what they had done.

mph1977

12,467 posts

199 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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untakenname said:
Saw something similar on TV with a dumb bint (at least I think it was one as they blurred the face) that was an NHS manager crashing her landrover on the motorway, loosing a wheel and then carrying on a few hundred meters. Was quite interesting watching as they sobered up and realised the repercussions of what they had done.
Means nothing for an NHS 'MANAGER' except two scenarios.

They also have a professional registration.

They are a layperson "Ambulance Officer" and getting points or a ban means thry can no longer respond... ( so their work Volvo V70 or Octavia Scout with WHiizy technical kit, lights and noise will be swapped for a civic or astra without lights and noise and a basic nokia)

NHS Lay Managers are teflon coated.

Edited by mph1977 on Saturday 14th June 09:26

IanA2

2,897 posts

193 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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mph1977 said:
Means nothing for an NHS 'MANAGER' except two scenarios.

They also have a professional registration.

They are a layperson "Ambulance Officer" and getting points or a ban means thry can no longer respond...

NHS Lay Managers are teflon coated.
Yup, but I think (hope) that that will be changing following the Francis recommendations.


ED209

6,027 posts

275 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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Mk3Spitfire said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Is there some kind of list of jobs that drink/drug driving is reportable and why not all jobs?
Essentially, yes.
When you're arrested a computerised set of questions is filled in which includes employers details. Someone in an office somewhere will then notify the employer if they fall within the notifiable category of the offence you've been arrested for. Never sure exactly which professions are on there but certainly things like NHS and teaching etc are.
I have booked thousands of people into custody and not once have i asked anyone for their employers details. Occupation yes, details of where they work and who for no.

NH1

1,333 posts

160 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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IanA2 said:
mph1977 said:
NH1 said:
Are you even obliged to tell them what you do for a living, if they want to know then let them find out the hard way. If you give your name, DOB and address what more info do you have to tell them and what can they do about it if you say non of your business.
which for a Health professional would be evidence of intent to deceive and create further issues over your fitness to practice when the registration body discovers your charges...

the answer for none FPN motoring offences is a self report / self referral to the registration body ...
Quite.
"You do not have to say anything but anything you do say will be taken down and may be given in evidence."

Hmmmm..... being deceitful by excersizing your rights. I think a lot of laws are bluff and bluster designed to confuse.

340600

610 posts

174 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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ED209 said:
I have booked thousands of people into custody and not once have i asked anyone for their employers details. Occupation yes, details of where they work and who for no.
Notifiable Occupations Scheme. Force dependant of course but in mine that part would normally be taken care of by the custody sergeant and passed to the relevant safeguarding team.

NH1

1,333 posts

160 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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In before the pendants, yes I know I quoted the old caution.

Red 4

10,744 posts

218 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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NH1 said:
"You do not have to say anything but anything you do say will be taken down and may be given in evidence."
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to 1973.

IanA2

2,897 posts

193 months

Friday 13th June 2014
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NH1 said:
IanA2 said:
mph1977 said:
NH1 said:
Are you even obliged to tell them what you do for a living, if they want to know then let them find out the hard way. If you give your name, DOB and address what more info do you have to tell them and what can they do about it if you say non of your business.
which for a Health professional would be evidence of intent to deceive and create further issues over your fitness to practice when the registration body discovers your charges...

the answer for none FPN motoring offences is a self report / self referral to the registration body ...
Quite.
"You do not have to say anything but anything you do say will be taken down and may be given in evidence."

Hmmmm..... being deceitful by excersizing your rights. I think a lot of laws are bluff and bluster designed to confuse.
I'm sure I've misunderstood you here. I'm sure that you are not saying that if it is a condition of your registration to a professional body to tell them about X, that you would refuse to tell them X as to do so would not be exercising your "rights" Am I wrong?