Who has priority at this junction?
Discussion
Afternoon all,
Hopefully this google map view will display properly! If it does, then you should see roads at 1, 4, 7 & 10 o'clock.
The 1 and 4 o'clock roads are easy, as they both have give way markings on them, but who would have priority with two cars arriving simultaneously on the 7 and 10 o'clock roads, neither of which have any markings on them?
As far as I'm aware, we don't have an equivalent of "priorité a droite" in the UK?
Hopefully this google map view will display properly! If it does, then you should see roads at 1, 4, 7 & 10 o'clock.
The 1 and 4 o'clock roads are easy, as they both have give way markings on them, but who would have priority with two cars arriving simultaneously on the 7 and 10 o'clock roads, neither of which have any markings on them?
As far as I'm aware, we don't have an equivalent of "priorité a droite" in the UK?
I would assume from the single road markings extending from the double Give Way sets that the 10 oclock/7o’clock road is the “priority” route i.e driving from 7 into 1 should be treated as a right turn and 10 into 4 a left turn.
ETA - Crap markings though
ETA - Crap markings though
Edited by covboy on Thursday 19th June 15:04
I don't think that's what the OP is getting at. Two vehicles arriving simultaneously. Driver at 7 o'clock wants to go straight ahead to 1 o'clock. The other at 10 o'clock wants to go to 4 o'clock. Neither has priority. Extreme caution required.
Many many moons ago I took my driving test in Eastbourne. Back then it was notorious for many of the crossroads in the side streets not having give way/stop markings on ANY of the four approach roads. My driving instructor reasoned that if I passed there my obs had to be good.
Many many moons ago I took my driving test in Eastbourne. Back then it was notorious for many of the crossroads in the side streets not having give way/stop markings on ANY of the four approach roads. My driving instructor reasoned that if I passed there my obs had to be good.
Red Devil said:
I don't think that's what the OP is getting at. Two vehicles arriving simultaneously. Driver at 7 o'clock wants to go straight ahead to 1 o'clock. The other at 10 o'clock wants to go to 4 o'clock. Neither has priority. Extreme caution required.
Many many moons ago I took my driving test in Eastbourne. Back then it was notorious for many of the crossroads in the side streets not having give way/stop markings on ANY of the four approach roads. My driving instructor reasoned that if I passed there my obs had to be good.
Based on what I said then 10 o'clock man has priority as 7 o'clock man is "turning" rightMany many moons ago I took my driving test in Eastbourne. Back then it was notorious for many of the crossroads in the side streets not having give way/stop markings on ANY of the four approach roads. My driving instructor reasoned that if I passed there my obs had to be good.
As I commented though the road markings leave a lot to be desired
covboy said:
Based on what I said then 10 o'clock man has priority as 7 o'clock man is "turning" right
ISWYM. Mind you, having zoomed out it is clear that the number of vehicles going from 7 to 1 will be negligible. It's a very unlikely traffic stream given that the latter arm is pretty much a dead end. covboy said:
As I commented though the road markings leave a lot to be desired
Given the above, maybe not so much?mondeoman said:
Its not a 4 way junction...
It's a double junction on a bend. 7 o'clock will drive left round the bend, 10 o'clock will drive right round the bend.
1 and 4 o'clock give way to join the main road.
Simple.
It might seem simple, but remember you don't see it from overhead when you're there. Nobody would ever think it was one continuous road looking at it from ground level. It just looks exactly like a crossroads, and the vast majority of traffic on it (such as there is!) goes from 4 to 10 or vice-versa.It's a double junction on a bend. 7 o'clock will drive left round the bend, 10 o'clock will drive right round the bend.
1 and 4 o'clock give way to join the main road.
Simple.
After reading mondeoman's explanation of the junction I can only agree; it's a left hand bend with 2 junctions. Assuming the 2 give way markings are clearly visible and people use their indicators correctly then the junction should be a doddle.
But yes, s
tty markings and needs to be done again to show one road has priority over the other.
EDIT: Looking at the junction in street view sheds a bit of extra light. The road at 1 o'clock looks to be an access road to the back of the houses and a gate to a field. I imagine it nearly never gets used. So cars at 4, 7 and 10 would hardly ever go up 1. Also, pretty clear road markings. Only real danger is if some donkey was scudding up from 7 towards 1 and doesn't slow down for a crossroad. Cars at 4 would (should) always slow down and cars going from 7 to 4 shouldn't be turning right when another car can be seen coming down from 10.
But yes, s
tty markings and needs to be done again to show one road has priority over the other.EDIT: Looking at the junction in street view sheds a bit of extra light. The road at 1 o'clock looks to be an access road to the back of the houses and a gate to a field. I imagine it nearly never gets used. So cars at 4, 7 and 10 would hardly ever go up 1. Also, pretty clear road markings. Only real danger is if some donkey was scudding up from 7 towards 1 and doesn't slow down for a crossroad. Cars at 4 would (should) always slow down and cars going from 7 to 4 shouldn't be turning right when another car can be seen coming down from 10.
Edited by CasuallyDressed on Thursday 19th June 20:02
Next road over from me...I cycled over it yesterday morning, and I noticed an added factor for confusion...
There is a big crack right the way across the 10 o'clock arm at the join point. Although this is just tarmac lifted off the join in the underlying concrete, it gives the subconscious impression of breaking it into two roads.
There's not much traffic on it, so people rarely meet at it anyway, but when they do, people on the 7 o'clock road turning right invariably tend be given (and take) priority by those in the 10 o'clock road.
There is a big crack right the way across the 10 o'clock arm at the join point. Although this is just tarmac lifted off the join in the underlying concrete, it gives the subconscious impression of breaking it into two roads.
There's not much traffic on it, so people rarely meet at it anyway, but when they do, people on the 7 o'clock road turning right invariably tend be given (and take) priority by those in the 10 o'clock road.
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