49mph in 40 limit - Stevenage, Hertfordshire

[Casa1862]

As mentioned got caught do 49 in 40 zone, a602 Stevenage, the NIP doesn't mention anything about a speed awareness course, do I need to admit I was the driver and then they possibly offer one or is that option not being offered and I'll have to take the three points and fine. Rather take the course.

[andyiley]

My understanding is that as you have recieved an NIP that is a Notice of Intent to Prosecute, so you have answered your own question, you are to be prosecuted.

That is what I would assume anyway, never had one personally.

[anonymous-user]

I thought you get the NIP, identify the driver then they'll offer you the SAC (if they will at all)

[Casa1862]

CaptainMorgan said:

I thought you get the NIP, identify the driver then they'll offer you the SAC (if they will at all)

I think this is correct, my wife went on one years ago, can't remember if all the options where on the nip or offered after you identified yourself.

Anyone know what the SAC criteria is for Hertfordshire and if 49 in 40 limit will likely get.

[Cooperman]

They can't offer an SAC until the S172 is returned and the identity of the driver is known. It could be that a driver has already had an SAC in the past 3 years and so is not eligible.
The SAC offer will come when the driver's identity is known and has been checked with DVLA for existing points, etc.

[GTIR]

Your punishment will be a second visit to Stevenage.

I'd take the points IMO.

[Jon1967x]

The guidance suggests in theory you should be offered one. You can also generally do it anywhere in the country as most of the police forces have joined up to the national database.

The actual rules seem to differ - this suggsts up to 50 in a 40
http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/uniformed/2010...

Yorkshire say up to 53 in a 40. I can't see Hertforshires rules
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/11056

Edited by Jon1967x on Saturday 5th July 17:41

[4rephill]

The courses are offered at the Police authorities discretion and invitation - There isn't an automatic right to be offered a course, as some seem to think there is!

[rewc]

4rephill said:

The courses are offered at the Police authorities discretion and invitation - There isn't an automatic right to be offered a course, as some seem to think there is!

Certainly in Dorset a course is the Police preferred option. They don't want to turn away the income so if you offend in Dorset and are eligible then you will be offered one. Unlike other authorities they do not operate under the national scheme so if you are offered a course you have to attend in the county.

[Red Devil]

Casa1862 said:

As mentioned got caught do 49 in 40 zone, a602 Stevenage

One of the roads specifically targeted by Herts Police last year.
http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/transtreets/rs...
http://www.herts.police.uk/system_pages/search.asp...
Clearly still in their sights.

Jon1967x said:

I can't see Hertforshires rules

They are very coy about what their criteria are (see the search above). The only place I could find anything at all was in this table and it dates from 5 years ago. I have no idea whether it is still current - http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?autocom=ibwiki...

[4rephill]

The relevant part of those links is (From: http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/transtreets/rs... ) :

Motorists caught driving in excess of the speed limit are being offered an educational course in lieu of receiving penalty points and a fine.

Hertfordshire Police appointed Hertfordshire County Council to deliver the National Speed Awareness Course for drivers as a constructive alternative to prosecution.

The offer to attend a course, by Police invitation only, allows certain drivers caught speeding to attend the half-day course instead of receiving three penalty points and a fine, or proceeding to court.

My point is, it's at the Police forces discretion if you get offered a course, it's not an automatic right as some seem to think it is.

[Jon1967x]

captainchaos him said:

You were 9 mph over the speed limit put in for a reason - i hate it when people moan and winge about getting caught.

Tip for not getting caught - don't speed!

Where does he complain, moan or winge? He's just asking if he's getting points or might be offered a SAC.

I hate it too, but I can't see the relevance of your post on this thread.

[jbsportstech]

Normally it's within the nip paper as an option is there is no mention chances are you have not been offered one.

[Foppo]

Yes he is a real criminal 49mph in a 40? We have a dual carriageway here max speed allowed 40mph.In the morning the majority of drivers proceed at about 48 to 49 mph.

The big accidents on this road are caused by laden lorries taken the roundabouts which are badly designed to fast going to the docks.Killed a few people when containers where dropped on them.

[Casa1862]

jbsportstech said:

Normally it's within the nip paper as an option is there is no mention chances are you have not been offered one.

Thanks, yes this. My wife had only given me the the nip but not the second page which gives the options, 40mph allows up to 53 for sac so hopefully I'm we'll the threshold. Thanks for the info though.

[eltawater]

If you were caught where I think you might have been caught (Broadhall way) then the camera van would have had a long hard look at you going straight down that road before you even noticed them.

I was quite surprised to find Hertfordshire to have one of the more open policies on sharing information on their mobile sites, with a useful directory of locations:

http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/transtreets/rs...

and even a week by week schedule:

http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/transtreets/rs...

[Casa1862]

eltawater said:

If you were caught where I think you might have been caught (Broadhall way) then the camera van would have had a long hard look at you going straight down that road before you even noticed them.

I was quite surprised to find Hertfordshire to have one of the more open policies on sharing information on their mobile sites, with a useful directory of locations:

http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/transtreets/rs...

and even a week by week schedule:

http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/transtreets/rs...

Yes, exactly there, just before the Esso. Long dual carririgeway quite easy to go over 40. Thanks for the info, I'll keep an eye on that as I live Hertfordshire/Bedfordshire area.