How often are police car databases updated? ANPR
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My Missus got pulled over this morning as our car was flagged up as having no MOT. As it happens I actually had it MOT'd Saturday morning. The police officer eventually agreed to let my missus go and not prosecute her (phew, eh. Apparently she (the officer) made a big deal of it). Apparently the ipad policewoman was using still showed it as no mot. If I'd known I could have pointed her to https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ as I just checked and it's correct, so the police system seems rather ineffective.
I assume therefore that in-car systems are therefore not live and in fact updated, so just wondering (idle curiosity) how often.
I assume therefore that in-car systems are therefore not live and in fact updated, so just wondering (idle curiosity) how often.
CoolHands said:
My Missus got pulled over this morning as our car was flagged up as having no MOT. As it happens I actually had it MOT'd Saturday morning. The police officer eventually agreed to let my missus go and not prosecute her (phew, eh. Apparently she (the officer) made a big deal of it). Apparently the ipad policewoman was using still showed it as no mot. If I'd known I could have pointed her to https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ as I just checked and it's correct, so the police system seems rather ineffective.
I assume therefore that in-car systems are therefore not live and in fact updated, so just wondering (idle curiosity) how often.
Its perfectly possible for things to take a little while. I imagine its not a problem for most people as you can get your MOT up to a month before it expires without losing any life on its validity (e.g. 12 months from due data not from the MOT) - if you do this then there's plenty of time for the update to go through.I assume therefore that in-car systems are therefore not live and in fact updated, so just wondering (idle curiosity) how often.
I assume in your case the MOT had already expired or just left until the last minute?
CoolHands said:
My Missus got pulled over this morning as our car was flagged up as having no MOT. As it happens I actually had it MOT'd Saturday morning. The police officer eventually agreed to let my missus go and not prosecute her (phew, eh. Apparently she (the officer) made a big deal of it). Apparently the ipad policewoman was using still showed it as no mot. If I'd known I could have pointed her to https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ as I just checked and it's correct, so the police system seems rather ineffective.
I assume therefore that in-car systems are therefore not live and in fact updated, so just wondering (idle curiosity) how often.
If that the case she should of carried the new mot with her, would of saved alot of hassle.I assume therefore that in-car systems are therefore not live and in fact updated, so just wondering (idle curiosity) how often.
If you car was un-moted for a period and then you get it done its pretty obvious that 24-48hrs later the database might still not show.
Officer had two options. call vosa and check your others half storey if she didn't believe her. Or give her a producer for the new mot within 7 days either way that would of bottomed out the issue.
I've done 20k miles with no MoT, by accident, and not got a pull. Have been an through ANPR check, in front of several traffic cars, been on the M1/M25 2/3 times a week for 9 months etc . . . never been stopped. This car does have tax and insurance but no MoT . . . until last week when it passed first time with no advisories a day after I realised previous MoT had expired.
So either there is a serious flaw in the system or the Police/VOSA have stopped responding to no MoT bleeps . . . perhaps because of consistently poor data ?
So either there is a serious flaw in the system or the Police/VOSA have stopped responding to no MoT bleeps . . . perhaps because of consistently poor data ?
I know of certain police officers who said that when they're using the in-car ANPR systems they turn off the MOT & the VEL files, to stop the system checking the plates against those lists, because they are so inaccurate & just result in far too many "false" hits.
Not any sort of policy just personal decisions.
Not any sort of policy just personal decisions.
340600 said:
The Police don't manage the databases, we just have the facility to view them, and they don't always get updated very quickly.
In my area it's unlikely your missus would even have been stopped if the car was just showing as having no MOT.
Because there is a low change of there actually being no MOT?In my area it's unlikely your missus would even have been stopped if the car was just showing as having no MOT.
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So common that you'd be doing it all day?
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Other?
I use to work for a company who managed the IT systems for a motor insurance company in the Republic of Ireland. We had a batch job that ran very early each morning (Tuesday to Saturday, to catch business written Monday to Friday) that uploaded a list of policy changes (new polices, expired and cancelled policies) to the company who managed the central database in the Republic.
With the exception of Saturday and Sunday you could purchase a policy at midnight and pass an ANPR or vehicle check at 8am the following morning. On the few occasions when something went wrong with the upload we received a lot of help so that the issue could be fixed as quickly as possible, they really took it seriously, but of course that's insurance, not MOT (or NCT).
With the exception of Saturday and Sunday you could purchase a policy at midnight and pass an ANPR or vehicle check at 8am the following morning. On the few occasions when something went wrong with the upload we received a lot of help so that the issue could be fixed as quickly as possible, they really took it seriously, but of course that's insurance, not MOT (or NCT).
340600 said:
Disco You said:
Because there is a low change of there actually being no MOT?
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So common that you'd be doing it all day?
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Other?
Put it this way - while the system is capable of it, it'd have to be a very quiet shift for it to be actioned. or
So common that you'd be doing it all day?
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Other?
The Moose said:
This is one of my big concerns about moving to a tax disc free environment - from the perspective of a computer system, they're likely going to have the issues meaning that when you pay your RFL, you have to print something and stick it in the car...
What you need is some type of small distinctive receipt that you could stick in the corner of the windscreen.Oh, errhh, hang on a minute ....
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