Bus lane question (including crappy MS Paint diagram)
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I live on a cul-de-sac off a fairly busy main road into Nottingham. Approaching our road from the North, the main road has two lanes, the left one being a 24/7 bus-lane. See the obligatory crappy Paint image below (bus lane highlighted in yellow).
In order to avoid getting in other drivers' way, I normally duck into the bus lane for the last 50 metres or so (providing it's clear) before turning left into my road. It's quite a tight turn so requires a fair bit of slowing down. Also it reduces the risk of turning across the lane which also allows motorbikes, taxis and cycles. It gets rid of the confusion of potentially arriving at my turning with a vehicle up my inside. I always give way, but sometimes so does the other vehicle, leaving you both stationary trying to work out who should go first.
However, a bus lane camera has recently appeared (see picture) so I've stopped doing this and have been turning from the right hand lane, across the gap in the bus lane and into my road (following the red arrow). This has led to a couple of incidents where drivers behind me have got properly irate and given me a good honking for slowing them down.
What is the consensus on the "right" approach? I'm assuming that the ticket-issuing nazis won't care that I'm turning left and will just nail me if I'm photographed in the bus lane? Advice appreciated!
In order to avoid getting in other drivers' way, I normally duck into the bus lane for the last 50 metres or so (providing it's clear) before turning left into my road. It's quite a tight turn so requires a fair bit of slowing down. Also it reduces the risk of turning across the lane which also allows motorbikes, taxis and cycles. It gets rid of the confusion of potentially arriving at my turning with a vehicle up my inside. I always give way, but sometimes so does the other vehicle, leaving you both stationary trying to work out who should go first.
However, a bus lane camera has recently appeared (see picture) so I've stopped doing this and have been turning from the right hand lane, across the gap in the bus lane and into my road (following the red arrow). This has led to a couple of incidents where drivers behind me have got properly irate and given me a good honking for slowing them down.
What is the consensus on the "right" approach? I'm assuming that the ticket-issuing nazis won't care that I'm turning left and will just nail me if I'm photographed in the bus lane? Advice appreciated!
The following is copied from a dvd post from another thread:
Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
and have the same width as the bus lane line. It
should be accompanied by the advisory direction
arrow to diagram 1050 (varied to show a left turn).
At other junctions, the diagram 1049
marking should be terminated approximately 10 m
before the junction .
The idea obviously is allow a vehicle turning left to get over to the left (crossing the dots not the continuous line) beforehand instead of trying to chop across the path of a bus at the junction itself. This would happen if in the photo one remained in the outer lane of the Crossing until the left junction. Do not the zig zags provide the advance dotted line pre junction?.
I would consider an appeal to the top and if possible have a look at the Bus lane Order for that area in detail to see what it states.
Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
and have the same width as the bus lane line. It
should be accompanied by the advisory direction
arrow to diagram 1050 (varied to show a left turn).
At other junctions, the diagram 1049
marking should be terminated approximately 10 m
before the junction .
The idea obviously is allow a vehicle turning left to get over to the left (crossing the dots not the continuous line) beforehand instead of trying to chop across the path of a bus at the junction itself. This would happen if in the photo one remained in the outer lane of the Crossing until the left junction. Do not the zig zags provide the advance dotted line pre junction?.
I would consider an appeal to the top and if possible have a look at the Bus lane Order for that area in detail to see what it states.
Often think that councils are a cut above for the stupid.
Personally, it is my licence and looks like a few easy points/ loot they are after, I would be looking after my licence and sod the drivers behind, they have eyes.
Ideal thing if space is available is to make a pull in for people turning. Better still no bus lanes.....that an airborne porker?
Edit. Ah, post above, did not realise that.
Personally, it is my licence and looks like a few easy points/ loot they are after, I would be looking after my licence and sod the drivers behind, they have eyes.
Ideal thing if space is available is to make a pull in for people turning. Better still no bus lanes.....that an airborne porker?
Edit. Ah, post above, did not realise that.
Edited by jmorgan on Thursday 31st July 17:21
In many places you would be doomed to disappointment. As in this example.
No chance of doing anything but an immediate 90 degree turn if there is a spy camera watching you.
In this case, TfL's licence to print money if you fail to get it right.
No chance of doing anything but an immediate 90 degree turn if there is a spy camera watching you.
In this case, TfL's licence to print money if you fail to get it right.
herewego said:
The following is copied from a dvd post from another thread:
Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
It says "major left-turning flow". A definition of that is required. The short length of dashed lines in the Google street view pic looks typical for bus lanes at junctions with minor roads. Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
I actually got busted for this in London about 35 years ago. Explained in a letter why I was in the bus lane and the magistrates threw it out.
You might write to the council explaining your concerns (keep a letter on file) and asking them for advice.
My take is that your primary responsibility is your safety and that of other road users (but IANAL).
In Liverpool the bus lanes have been "cancelled".
You might write to the council explaining your concerns (keep a letter on file) and asking them for advice.
My take is that your primary responsibility is your safety and that of other road users (but IANAL).
In Liverpool the bus lanes have been "cancelled".
herewego said:
The following is copied from a dvd post from another thread:
Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
and have the same width as the bus lane line. It
should be accompanied by the advisory direction
arrow to diagram 1050 (varied to show a left turn).
At other junctions, the diagram 1049
marking should be terminated approximately 10 m
before the junction .
The idea obviously is allow a vehicle turning left to get over to the left (crossing the dots not the continuous line) beforehand instead of trying to chop across the path of a bus at the junction itself. This would happen if in the photo one remained in the outer lane of the Crossing until the left junction. Do not the zig zags provide the advance dotted line pre junction?.
I would consider an appeal to the top and if possible have a look at the Bus lane Order for that area in detail to see what it states.
Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
and have the same width as the bus lane line. It
should be accompanied by the advisory direction
arrow to diagram 1050 (varied to show a left turn).
At other junctions, the diagram 1049
marking should be terminated approximately 10 m
before the junction .
The idea obviously is allow a vehicle turning left to get over to the left (crossing the dots not the continuous line) beforehand instead of trying to chop across the path of a bus at the junction itself. This would happen if in the photo one remained in the outer lane of the Crossing until the left junction. Do not the zig zags provide the advance dotted line pre junction?.
I would consider an appeal to the top and if possible have a look at the Bus lane Order for that area in detail to see what it states.
jimbobs said:
I live on a cul-de-sac off a fairly busy main road into Nottingham. Approaching our road from the North, the main road has two lanes, the left one being a 24/7 bus-lane. See the obligatory crappy Paint image below (bus lane highlighted in yellow).
In order to avoid getting in other drivers' way, I normally duck into the bus lane for the last 50 metres or so (providing it's clear) before turning left into my road. It's quite a tight turn so requires a fair bit of slowing down. Also it reduces the risk of turning across the lane which also allows motorbikes, taxis and cycles. It gets rid of the confusion of potentially arriving at my turning with a vehicle up my inside. I always give way, but sometimes so does the other vehicle, leaving you both stationary trying to work out who should go first.
However, a bus lane camera has recently appeared (see picture) so I've stopped doing this and have been turning from the right hand lane, across the gap in the bus lane and into my road (following the red arrow). This has led to a couple of incidents where drivers behind me have got properly irate and given me a good honking for slowing them down.
What is the consensus on the "right" approach? I'm assuming that the ticket-issuing nazis won't care that I'm turning left and will just nail me if I'm photographed in the bus lane? Advice appreciated!
Nuff said?In order to avoid getting in other drivers' way, I normally duck into the bus lane for the last 50 metres or so (providing it's clear) before turning left into my road. It's quite a tight turn so requires a fair bit of slowing down. Also it reduces the risk of turning across the lane which also allows motorbikes, taxis and cycles. It gets rid of the confusion of potentially arriving at my turning with a vehicle up my inside. I always give way, but sometimes so does the other vehicle, leaving you both stationary trying to work out who should go first.
However, a bus lane camera has recently appeared (see picture) so I've stopped doing this and have been turning from the right hand lane, across the gap in the bus lane and into my road (following the red arrow). This has led to a couple of incidents where drivers behind me have got properly irate and given me a good honking for slowing them down.
What is the consensus on the "right" approach? I'm assuming that the ticket-issuing nazis won't care that I'm turning left and will just nail me if I'm photographed in the bus lane? Advice appreciated!
LoonR1 said:
herewego said:
The following is copied from a dvd post from another thread:
Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
and have the same width as the bus lane line. It
should be accompanied by the advisory direction
arrow to diagram 1050 (varied to show a left turn).
At other junctions, the diagram 1049
marking should be terminated approximately 10 m
before the junction .
The idea obviously is allow a vehicle turning left to get over to the left (crossing the dots not the continuous line) beforehand instead of trying to chop across the path of a bus at the junction itself. This would happen if in the photo one remained in the outer lane of the Crossing until the left junction. Do not the zig zags provide the advance dotted line pre junction?.
I would consider an appeal to the top and if possible have a look at the Bus lane Order for that area in detail to see what it states.
Where a bus lane passes a junction with a
major left-turning flow into the side road, the line to
diagram 1049 should be replaced with a broken line
to diagram 1010 . The broken line
should commence 30 m in advance of the junction,
and have the same width as the bus lane line. It
should be accompanied by the advisory direction
arrow to diagram 1050 (varied to show a left turn).
At other junctions, the diagram 1049
marking should be terminated approximately 10 m
before the junction .
The idea obviously is allow a vehicle turning left to get over to the left (crossing the dots not the continuous line) beforehand instead of trying to chop across the path of a bus at the junction itself. This would happen if in the photo one remained in the outer lane of the Crossing until the left junction. Do not the zig zags provide the advance dotted line pre junction?.
I would consider an appeal to the top and if possible have a look at the Bus lane Order for that area in detail to see what it states.
jimbobs said:
I live on a cul-de-sac off a fairly busy main road into Nottingham. Approaching our road from the North, the main road has two lanes, the left one being a 24/7 bus-lane. See the obligatory crappy Paint image below (bus lane highlighted in yellow).
In order to avoid getting in other drivers' way, I normally duck into the bus lane for the last 50 metres or so (providing it's clear) before turning left into my road. It's quite a tight turn so requires a fair bit of slowing down. Also it reduces the risk of turning across the lane which also allows motorbikes, taxis and cycles. It gets rid of the confusion of potentially arriving at my turning with a vehicle up my inside. I always give way, but sometimes so does the other vehicle, leaving you both stationary trying to work out who should go first.
However, a bus lane camera has recently appeared (see picture) so I've stopped doing this and have been turning from the right hand lane, across the gap in the bus lane and into my road (following the red arrow). This has led to a couple of incidents where drivers behind me have got properly irate and given me a good honking for slowing them down.
What is the consensus on the "right" approach? I'm assuming that the ticket-issuing nazis won't care that I'm turning left and will just nail me if I'm photographed in the bus lane? Advice appreciated!
Nuff said?In order to avoid getting in other drivers' way, I normally duck into the bus lane for the last 50 metres or so (providing it's clear) before turning left into my road. It's quite a tight turn so requires a fair bit of slowing down. Also it reduces the risk of turning across the lane which also allows motorbikes, taxis and cycles. It gets rid of the confusion of potentially arriving at my turning with a vehicle up my inside. I always give way, but sometimes so does the other vehicle, leaving you both stationary trying to work out who should go first.
However, a bus lane camera has recently appeared (see picture) so I've stopped doing this and have been turning from the right hand lane, across the gap in the bus lane and into my road (following the red arrow). This has led to a couple of incidents where drivers behind me have got properly irate and given me a good honking for slowing them down.
What is the consensus on the "right" approach? I'm assuming that the ticket-issuing nazis won't care that I'm turning left and will just nail me if I'm photographed in the bus lane? Advice appreciated!
ridds said:
I'd hate to have to make that turn when in a queue of traffic with a bus tanking down the inside...
What a poorly thought out set of road markings.
Take your front plate off, a lower fine and less chance of getting caught!
Why? You're in a queue, not much danger of someone ploughing into the back of you if everyone is stationary. Sit in the queue and turn after the bus surely? What a poorly thought out set of road markings.
Take your front plate off, a lower fine and less chance of getting caught!
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