Very sad road safety video

[505diff]

A very sad story for all concerned for which someone has paid the ultimate price, but who do you think this should be aimed at more, drivers or riders?


The link does contain footage of the accident which is not necessary to watch all the way through, I had seen enough to pause it, be fore the impact, however you may want to comment on the lead up to it.

http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/video_mother_al...

[carinaman]

Yet to watch. I wouldn't mind a go on a Gamma like that.

[stevensdrs]

Well for once excess speed is the main factor in this sad incident. At that speed you are in Russian roulette territory and any mistake by anyone is likely to have a very bad outcome.

[anonymous-user]

505diff said:

A very sad story for all concerned for which someone has paid the ultimate price, but who do you think this should be aimed at more, drivers or riders?


The link does contain footage of the accident which is not necessary to watch all the way through, I had seen enough to pause it, be fore the impact, however you may want to comment on the lead up to it.

http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/video_mother_al...

I would have thought its primary target should be riders, though it wouldn't do any harm to warn others that there are people like this out there.

Maybe the driver should have been more aware, but are we all obliged to look out for bikers approaching at 100mph or so, in a 60 limit? It's clearly wise to do so, but only from the point of view of self preservation.

I wouldn't expect others to allow for my speeding, why should I?

[Sportidge]

stevensdrs said:

Well for once excess speed is the main factor in this sad incident. At that speed you are in Russian roulette territory and any mistake by anyone is likely to have a very bad outcome.

Well, its a factor.

Even according to the article, "While he was travelling above the speed limit the driver admitted to police in interview that he had not seen David, nor a car behind the motorcycle, prior to the collision.

Therefore, I would say that the greater factor was inattentiveness by the car driver, given their admission they didn't even see the car behind (Which was not travelling at 97mph)

[singlecoil]

There will always be drivers (and other road users) who don't see things that they need to see, the question any motorcyclist needs to ask themselves, especially before riding at high speed, is do they feel lucky?

The ones around here feel very lucky, judging by the way they ride, and in a sense they are right, because only one or two get killed each year.

[carinaman]

Accidents invariably have multiple contributory factors.

That it could seem this death may have been spun in the article to make it about speeding is off on at least two counts by my book. At least I expressed my true thoughts on that RGV.

[Mound Dawg]

Already being discussed here?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[505diff]

Mound Dawg said:

Already being discussed here?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I did a search before starting a new thread, did not show up, at least it's under discussion

[wc98]

REALIST123 said:

505diff said:

A very sad story for all concerned for which someone has paid the ultimate price, but who do you think this should be aimed at more, drivers or riders?


The link does contain footage of the accident which is not necessary to watch all the way through, I had seen enough to pause it, be fore the impact, however you may want to comment on the lead up to it.

http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/video_mother_al...

I would have thought its primary target should be riders, though it wouldn't do any harm to warn others that there are people like this out there.

Maybe the driver should have been more aware, but are we all obliged to look out for bikers approaching at 100mph or so, in a 60 limit? It's clearly wise to do so, but only from the point of view of self preservation.

I wouldn't expect others to allow for my speeding, why should I?

from the same website http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/more_than_1_500...
so while you do not expect others to allow for your speeding ,it might actually be prudent for them to do so,as looking at the amount caught speeding in one week (as opposed to the total amount that are actually speeding on a daily basis)it is a regular occurrence,and anyone driving on the roads today with the expectation that everyone will be driving at or below the set limit is living in dreamland .

in order to make a judgement call on whether to pull across the road or not,the driver first had to see any oncoming traffic,he failed at that first hurdle,long before he had to make a judgement of what speed the oncoming vehicles were doing.

[mattley]

Sportidge said:

Well, its a factor.

Even according to the article, "While he was travelling above the speed limit the driver admitted to police in interview that he had not seen David, nor a car behind the motorcycle, prior to the collision.

Therefore, I would say that the greater factor was inattentiveness by the car driver, given their admission they didn't even see the car behind (Which was not travelling at 97mph)

But how far behind the motorcycle?

It was about 5 seconds from passing the car to the impact, that's about 200m so if the car was doing 50 that would make it about 100m back so to say behind is pretty spurious IMO.

[Red 4]

I think the lesson to be learned is that the collision could have been avoided.

Both parties were at fault.

Bikers come off worse 99% of the time.

Tragic.

[gaz1234]

Why is she implying cars driving fast?...
Bikers normally at fault due to speeds

[singlecoil]

She want everyone to slow down, and I can see her point, as can most people who have lived as long as I have. I've done my share of quick stuff, and would probably do it again if I was a lot younger. But you just have to accept that at those kinds of speeds if bad stuff happens it's going to be very, very bad.

[anonymous-user]

wc98 said:

REALIST123 said:

505diff said:

A very sad story for all concerned for which someone has paid the ultimate price, but who do you think this should be aimed at more, drivers or riders?


The link does contain footage of the accident which is not necessary to watch all the way through, I had seen enough to pause it, be fore the impact, however you may want to comment on the lead up to it.

http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/video_mother_al...

I would have thought its primary target should be riders, though it wouldn't do any harm to warn others that there are people like this out there.

Maybe the driver should have been more aware, but are we all obliged to look out for bikers approaching at 100mph or so, in a 60 limit? It's clearly wise to do so, but only from the point of view of self preservation.

I wouldn't expect others to allow for my speeding, why should I?

from the same website http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/more_than_1_500...
so while you do not expect others to allow for your speeding ,it might actually be prudent for them to do so,as looking at the amount caught speeding in one week (as opposed to the total amount that are actually speeding on a daily basis)it is a regular occurrence,and anyone driving on the roads today with the expectation that everyone will be driving at or below the set limit is living in dreamland .

in order to make a judgement call on whether to pull across the road or not,the driver first had to see any oncoming traffic,he failed at that first hurdle,long before he had to make a judgement of what speed the oncoming vehicles were doing.

Living in Norfolk, within 10 miles of Dereham as it happens, I would bet that the majority of those caught were wandering along oblivious to anything, let alone speed limits and has little bearing on this thread.

My point about not expecting others to allow for me being speeding was meant to imply that I wouldn't exceed a speed limit in circumstances where other road users would need to compromise their (hopefully legal) driving to allow me to.

[anonymous-user]

wc98 said:

REALIST123 said:

505diff said:

A very sad story for all concerned for which someone has paid the ultimate price, but who do you think this should be aimed at more, drivers or riders?


The link does contain footage of the accident which is not necessary to watch all the way through, I had seen enough to pause it, be fore the impact, however you may want to comment on the lead up to it.

http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/video_mother_al...

I would have thought its primary target should be riders, though it wouldn't do any harm to warn others that there are people like this out there.

Maybe the driver should have been more aware, but are we all obliged to look out for bikers approaching at 100mph or so, in a 60 limit? It's clearly wise to do so, but only from the point of view of self preservation.

I wouldn't expect others to allow for my speeding, why should I?

from the same website http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/more_than_1_500...
so while you do not expect others to allow for your speeding ,it might actually be prudent for them to do so,as looking at the amount caught speeding in one week (as opposed to the total amount that are actually speeding on a daily basis)it is a regular occurrence,and anyone driving on the roads today with the expectation that everyone will be driving at or below the set limit is living in dreamland .

in order to make a judgement call on whether to pull across the road or not,the driver first had to see any oncoming traffic,he failed at that first hurdle,long before he had to make a judgement of what speed the oncoming vehicles were doing.

Living in Norfolk, within 10 miles of Dereham as it happens, I would bet that the majority of those caught were wandering along oblivious to anything, let alone speed limits and has little bearing on this thread.

My point about not expecting others to allow for me being speeding was meant to imply that I wouldn't exceed a speed limit in circumstances where other road users would need to compromise their (hopefully legal) driving to allow me to.

[beeej]

Aimed at bikers.
Above ninety overtaking near a junction?
Death by superbike.

[SVS]

mattley said:

It was about 5 seconds from passing the car to the impact, that's about 200m so if the car was doing 50 that would make it about 100m back so to say behind is pretty spurious IMO.

How far do you look down the road?

If you're not scanning to the horizon and back, then you're missing an awful lot of vital information for anticipation and forward planning. 100m isn't very far to look down the road!

Edited by SVS on Friday 5th September 07:39

[RG63AMG]

without wishing to sound like a total hypocrite, and its very sad the bike was killed,
The biker WAS playing Russian roulette, 90+ on that road with a junction? Madness.

[G-Rich]

The driver was awarded 130 hours community service and an 18 month ban I think. Without knowing the road, or the junction it's impossible to say, from the helmet cam, the driver clearly turns too late and would have been able to see the motorcyclist, but at such an approach speed it's no great surprise that if they didn't check twice they might have missed it.

From the riders point of view, exactly the same thing happened to me on my push bike, luckily, at 20mph I heard a loud bang, got a concussion and the driver got a driving without due care conviction (didn't see a cyclist in high viz coming towards them). The rider on the tape shouting just before the impact sent a shiver down my spine, as I did exactly the same thing.

It's pretty obvious the this kind of accident happens all the time, if this tape release makes bikers and drivers think twice, and check twice, and a single life is saved, surely it's worth it.