Failing to stop for police

[anonymous-user]

Hypothetical question Not me before anyone asks, I'm not this stupid.

Say a mate was riding along on a motorbike with another of his friends. Police behind in an unmarked car put blues and twos on to pull them over. His friend stopped for them while he carried on, not speeding off just didnt stop and carried on with flow of traffic. They got out and have a chat with the one that stopped and ask who his mate is, where he lives etc. Then then tell him to tell the lad who rode off to expect something in the post for failing to stop.

Whats the likely penalty for this? The only failing to stop I can find is after an accident.

Cheers

[photosnob]

IF it's as you have stated tell your police to speak to a solicitor.

[Retroman]

I'm sure the other biker could say he thought the police were wanting to pull the other biker who was riding nearby him.
The fact after the biker had pulled in, the police pulled in as well would be evidence of this.

[MGL1986]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/sectio...

[anonymous-user]

The biker committed an offence if the police officers were in uniform (for this purpose a minimal uniform would suffice - it need not be full rig). All police officers can ask a rider or driver to stop, but failing to stop is not an offence is the officer is not in uniform.

[pork911]

How did they indicate they wanted him to stop?

[photosnob]

Breadvan72 said:

The biker committed an offence if the police officers were in uniform (for this purpose a minimal uniform would suffice - it need not be full rig). All police officers can ask a rider or driver to stop, but failing to stop is not an offence is the officer is not in uniform.

What if he could demonstrate he did not think he had to stop. I wouldn't expect the police to stop with one vehicle if they wanted me to stop...

[littleredrooster]

photosnob said:

IF it's as you have stated tell your police to speak to a solicitor.

Are you sure that's what you meant to write? Doesn't make sense to me...

[anonymous-user]

How many vehicles would you require to stop you? One officer is all it takes. A uniformed police officer on foot can flag you down.

[elanfan]

Not my finest moment but when I was young and stupid (no longer young but still stupid) I was driving my Hillman Imp (the shame) home late one night after spending an evening with the girlfriend. Passing through Whitchurch Village a suburb of Cardiff a uniformed officer stepped out from the side of the road with his hand raised. I did not notice this until the last possible moment and in that moment panicked a little and decided that a full on emergency stop in front of the officer was probably not such a good idea. I just continued past him.

He was on foot but perhpas 100 yards from the then 24 hr manned Police station. I then st myself for the next 24 hours waiting for the visit as I only lived about another 5/600 yards from where the attempt to stop was made. I never did get that visit - the worry was punishment enough to be honest.

[Vealie]

Breadvan72 said:

How many vehicles would you require to stop you? One officer is all it takes. A uniformed police officer on foot can flag you down.

There must be a limit though. When the siren and lights are switched on does every vehicle in front of/within earshot/alongside have to stop?

[photosnob]

Breadvan72 said:

How many vehicles would you require to stop you? One officer is all it takes. A uniformed police officer on foot can flag you down.

I'd say you have to realise that it's you they want to stop. If you don't know you have to stop it doesn't seem correct to punish you for that...

I don't know what it takes to complete the offence. And I can't be bothered reading into it.

So my guess is that if you can demonstrate you didn't think it was you who had to stop, you might get off.

[Derek Smith]

I'm not sure if the legislation has changed since my day, but blue lights are not an indication to stop. There must be a signal. There is lots and lots of case law.

[anonymous-user]

From the brief description of what he said happened I don't think he's got a leg to stand on with regards to if he thought he'd need to stop or not. He was at the back of the two of them when the lights come on, having to ride round he's mate who was stopping to continue.

He's stupid and had no reason not to stop, everything is legal on his bike etc. Guess we'll have to see what happens.

[Bigends]

Derek Smith said:

I'm not sure if the legislation has changed since my day, but blue lights are not an indication to stop. There must be a signal. There is lots and lots of case law.

This--- why should the second rider assume he has to stop - if he'd done anything wrong surely they'd have gone after him. As long as he drove off safely and sensibly - i'd have thought he'd have a good defence if prosecuted - 'Just thought he was stopping my mate'

[Webber3]

I can't see why they'd want to go ahead and prosecute with this. It would be a total waste of money.

[ruff'n'smov]

CaptainMorgan said:

Hypothetical question Not me before anyone asks, I'm not this stupid.

Say a mate was riding along on a motorbike with another of his friends. Police behind in an unmarked car put blues and twos on to pull them over. His friend stopped for them while he carried on, not speeding off just didnt stop and carried on with flow of traffic. They got out and have a chat with the one that stopped [b] and ask who his mate is, where he lives etc. Then then tell him to tell the lad who rode off to expect something in the post for failing to stop. [\b]

Whats the likely penalty for this? The only failing to stop I can find is after an accident.

Cheers

Knee capped for grassing to the rozzers

[Derek Smith]

Bigends said:

This--- why should the second rider assume he has to stop - if he'd done anything wrong surely they'd have gone after him. As long as he drove off safely and sensibly - i'd have thought he'd have a good defence if prosecuted - 'Just thought he was stopping my mate'

Indeed. And that is what it will be if he sees a solicitor.