Caught by a van at 21:30 in the rain & dark - ban time :-(
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Honest to goodness this isn't me - its a chap I met at our local car club who drives a similar car. Honest.
He told me he just had 2 weeks 'off' as he was caught doing 49 in a 30. I tutted as only a total knob does 49 through a village, but he explained where this was and that he got caught a few hundred meters before the NSL started and as he was exiting a village. Many of us have probably increased speed a little earlier than the NSL sign, especially given the time of day/location and knowing all the hazards/schoolkids/shops/zebra crossings are totally behind us...
However I just though the scamera vans didn't operate that late and in the dark and in the rain though, and in the b middle of zero nightlife no-one about nowhere? Or is this another nail in the coffin of common sense/discretion and another tick box for the invoicing machine?
Puzzled.
KF
He told me he just had 2 weeks 'off' as he was caught doing 49 in a 30. I tutted as only a total knob does 49 through a village, but he explained where this was and that he got caught a few hundred meters before the NSL started and as he was exiting a village. Many of us have probably increased speed a little earlier than the NSL sign, especially given the time of day/location and knowing all the hazards/schoolkids/shops/zebra crossings are totally behind us...
However I just though the scamera vans didn't operate that late and in the dark and in the rain though, and in the b middle of zero nightlife no-one about nowhere? Or is this another nail in the coffin of common sense/discretion and another tick box for the invoicing machine?
Puzzled.
KF
Ken Figenus said:
However I just though the scamera vans didn't operate that late and in the dark and in the rain though, and in the b middle of zero nightlife no-one about nowhere? Or is this another nail in the coffin of common sense/discretion and another tick box for the invoicing machine?
I've never seen em out in those conditions round my neck of the woods, but well, overtime coming up towards xmas...Ken Figenus said:
Many of us have probably increased speed a little earlier than the NSL sign, especially given the time of day/location and knowing all the hazards/schoolkids/shops/zebra crossings are totally behind us...
Increased speed a little maybe, but still he had to have been accelerating some to get to 49 several hundred yards before the sign (or not slowed down at all through the whole village) Sorry, but for me this was fully deserved.MKnight702 said:
Increased speed a little maybe, but still he had to have been accelerating some to get to 49 several hundred yards before the sign (or not slowed down at all through the whole village) Sorry, but for me this was fully deserved.
I couldn't possibly agree with you less. Shows no pragmatic thinking. Especially as he did not exceed limit in village centre.Just evaluate the couple of hundred metres often between end of an inhabited village and the technical end of a restriction. Or just go by the book...(easier).
Don't condone what he did (and I genuinely wouldn't have) but this non event did not warrant any ban. ( he normally repairs people not b damages them !)
Anyway...thoughts on the van thing?
Can't address the specifics, but some of the cameras in Liverpool seem only to be switched on and armed during poor weather.
Easy enough to do: in the MR2 Tub or the T5 I can easily pull out of a junction and be doing 40 in second gear before I even realise I'm about to pass a speed camera.
Easy enough to do: in the MR2 Tub or the T5 I can easily pull out of a junction and be doing 40 in second gear before I even realise I'm about to pass a speed camera.
shep1001 said:
ACPO guidelines suggest 50mph or upwards is the threshold for summons in a 30mph zone. I also struggle to believe that 49mph attracted a ban by the beak.
The vans do work at night and in the rain, I see one on a regular ish basis hiding in the dark back off the road.
[2 weeks ban is what I was told - harsh? Dont know if he had previous - but a totting up would have been min 6 months wouldn't it?]The vans do work at night and in the rain, I see one on a regular ish basis hiding in the dark back off the road.
Looks like its true then - the laser dodges raindrops and they are happy to miss their dinner and Eastenders?! Be good to hear from anyone done at night in the rain.
Vans can and do work in the dark. I suspect there is an argument about using in the rain i.e. the beam is electromagnetic radiation so as I recall from schoolboy physics would refract through a lens, or raindrop, so could affect its reliability. Never yet had it argued before me yet though.
We may not like it, but limits change level with the signs, not as soon as we see them. So, don't accelerate till we are level with them, or risk being caught.
Finally if dark and wet, I'd guess visibility is reduced, stopping distance increased. Both factors which merit a higher than usual penalty. So in the dry and daylight, probably 4 points. In the dark and wet, then a short ban not unreasonable.
We may not like it, but limits change level with the signs, not as soon as we see them. So, don't accelerate till we are level with them, or risk being caught.
Finally if dark and wet, I'd guess visibility is reduced, stopping distance increased. Both factors which merit a higher than usual penalty. So in the dry and daylight, probably 4 points. In the dark and wet, then a short ban not unreasonable.
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