Cheap car used car dealer

[ging84]

Topic was meant to say cheap used car from dealer, but can't edit now

I've got myself into a bit of trouble
I saw a car on auto trader, from a dealer, paint work was pretty poor so it was priced cheaply
the description said along the lines of
Drives great, mot xx/xx tax xx/xx very reliable, top spec, mot priced for quick sale. Then listed some of the options / features.

i've managed to pull a copy of the advert from google cache (it had been pulled from auto trader before i'd even got home) and have saved a copy of that.

I was only able to give it a a short test drive as it was almost out of fuel, it had a few knocks from the back but otherwise seemed ok.

The dealer said i could not expect a warranty on a car of this age and mileage so it's sold as seen, i took a good look around it and decided to buy, on the receipt which i signed it said sold as spares or repairs (no obviously i regret signing that)

I was going to pick it up yesterday, but in the end the dealer wasn't around in the afternoon so i picked it up today.
It's become fairly obvious now that after driving it just a few more miles it's got a transmission fault, which is probably the dual mass flywheel , and it's likely to be a very expensive job. I have a very strong suspicion they were fully aware of this fault hence why they were after a quick sale.

Armed with a copy of the advert which says very reliable and mentions nothing about a gearbox/clutch fault nor it being sold as spares or repairs, do i have any come back here? Or have i signed away my rights by signing a receipt saying sold as spares or repairs?
I paid by credit card, does this give me any increased protection?

How should i proceed with this?
I am guessing i'll need to call or go see the dealer first thing tomorrow (no one is about today, he was going home after i picked it up)
Or should i leave it until i've got a better idea of what is wrong and how much it would cost to repair?
I've taxed and insured the car, and put in a full tank of fuel and i liked the car before i found this fault, so the ideal situation for me would be for the dealer to fix it, but i suspect that is unlikely , what are my other options?

[Sump]

You ain't got a come back if the receipt specifically says spares or repairs.

[oobster]

Judging the reply you gave this morning in the "Bit of Help embarrasing an insurance company please" thread I would be surprised if anyone assists you with your problem.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[anonymous-user]

dmf is the first point that everyone says will fail but they do last a while.

you can buy kits that convert from dmf to smf for about 350 dependent on car and just get it changed, surely a car cheap allows a fund to repair.

Edited by The Spruce goose on Sunday 26th October 15:01

[ging84]

The Spruce goose said:

dmf is the first point that everyone says will fail.

you can buy kits that convert from dmf to smf for about 350 dependent on car and just get it changed, surely a car cheap allows a fund to repair.

A cheap car does allow me to fund the repair, but it ceases to be a cheap car at that point
i paid £1k for a car which in good condition might have been worth £1500, but for £1500 i would have got one which also has fairly tidy body work, and some sort of service history

If i could get it done for £350 it wouldn't be the end of the world, i'd budget about £300 to service it get it through it's next mot, but it looks like it could well be more than double that and it's still need to spend money elsewhere such as servicing.

Had it been advertised as spares or repairs with a clutch fault, i wouldn't have touched it at any price.

[DuraAce]

ging84 said:

Had it been advertised as spares or repairs with a clutch fault, i wouldn't have touched it at any price.

Then why on earth sign a receipt saying spares or repair? Mental.

Seems like you've got exactly what you bought.

[anonymous-user]

ging84 said:

A cheap car does allow me to fund the repair, but it ceases to be a cheap car at that point
i paid £1k for a car which in good condition might have been worth £1500, but for £1500 i would have got one which also has fairly tidy body work, and some sort of service history

If i could get it done for £350 it wouldn't be the end of the world, i'd budget about £300 to service it get it through it's next mot, but it looks like it could well be more than double that and it's still need to spend money elsewhere such as servicing.

Had it been advertised as spares or repairs with a clutch fault, i wouldn't have touched it at any price.

350 will be parts price, what is the car?

[SteBrown91]

sorry mate dealer saw you coming a mile off. Put it in the knowledge bank and learn from your mistakes.

TBH theres no guarantee that this 1500 quid car you mention wouldnt st its DMF a couple months down the line.

[SV8Predator]

oobster said:

Judging the reply you gave this morning in the "Bit of Help embarrasing an insurance company please" thread I would be surprised if anyone assists you with your problem.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I think the apt expression here is, "you reap what you sow".

[hornetrider]

oobster said:

Judging the reply you gave this morning in the "Bit of Help embarrasing an insurance company please" thread I would be surprised if anyone assists you with your problem.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Wow.

[andymc]

hornetrider said:

oobster said:

Judging the reply you gave this morning in the "Bit of Help embarrasing an insurance company please" thread I would be surprised if anyone assists you with your problem.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Wow.

Karma she be a bh hahahahahahah

[Jasandjules]

DuraAce said:

Then why on earth sign a receipt saying spares or repair? Mental.

Seems like you've got exactly what you bought.

But this is a dealer selling to a member of the public is it not?

At which point, spares or repairs means nothing.

[Sump]

Jasandjules said:

DuraAce said:

Then why on earth sign a receipt saying spares or repair? Mental.

Seems like you've got exactly what you bought.

But this is a dealer selling to a member of the public is it not?

At which point, spares or repairs means nothing.

No it means everything.

It was also underpriced allowing for repairs to be carried out. If it was charged at full retail then there might be something, but it wasn't.

[hornetrider]

andymc said:

Karma she be a bh hahahahahahah

[Jasandjules]

Sump said:

No it means everything.

It was also underpriced allowing for repairs to be carried out. If it was charged at full retail then there might be something, but it wasn't.

Not if the dealer let him drive it away IIRC. Might be wrong on that mind.

[DuraAce]

Jasandjules said:

But this is a dealer selling to a member of the public is it not?

At which point, spares or repairs means nothing.

IANAL so I don't know the ins and outs. However as a sane, normal person I wouldn't buy a car under those conditions and expect a dealer to warrant the car in the event of any problems. Would you? That's why the car was cheap.

If I bought a car, and happily signed a receipt saying spares or repair then you have to accept you are effectively buying scrap metal don't you?

The sense of entitlement and always wanting someone else to be blamed/at fault in this country is staggering at times.

[singlecoil]

Jasandjules said:

DuraAce said:

Then why on earth sign a receipt saying spares or repair? Mental.

Seems like you've got exactly what you bought.

But this is a dealer selling to a member of the public is it not?

At which point, spares or repairs means nothing.

I believe you are correct, although I wouldn't go banco on that.



It surprises me that so many people support a dealer putting one over on a MOP, but I suppose that fits into the OP-bashing thing that so many people delight in here.

[paintman]

You bought a vehicle & agreed in a signed document that the seller has a copy of that it was on the basis of it being suitable for spares or in need of repairs.
The time to walk away was when you read that.
I suspect you're stuffed.

[DuraAce]

singlecoil said:

It surprises me that so many people support a dealer putting one over on a MOP, but I suppose that fits into the OP-bashing thing that so many people delight in here.

It's not OP bashing IMO. He asked for an opinion/assessment and got one.

Would you buy an old car, below book price (sold as spares or repair, and happily signed as such by the OP on the receipt) and expect a dealer to warrant it as a serviceable car? I certainly wouldn't.

How else is the dealer supposed to move on old worn out stock that is fit for use as spares? It's sold as spares or repair and he KNEW that.

The OP knew exactly what he was doing and buying, how has the dealer had him over?

[singlecoil]

DuraAce said:

singlecoil said:

It surprises me that so many people support a dealer putting one over on a MOP, but I suppose that fits into the OP-bashing thing that so many people delight in here.

It's not OP bashing IMO. He asked for an opinion/assessment and got one.

Would you buy an old car, below book price (sold as spares or repair, and happily signed as such by the OP on the receipt) and expect a dealer to warrant it as a serviceable car? I certainly wouldn't.

How else is the dealer supposed to move on old worn out stock that is fit for use as spares? It's sold as spares or repair and he KNEW that.

The OP knew exactly what he was doing and buying, how has the dealer had him over?

If the dealer is selling spares or repairs then he needs to sell it to the trade, or a scrapyard. IIRC he can't put himself above consumer law just by writing something on a receipt.