PC Kahn gets owned
Discussion
Warning: You'll need 22 mins to view parts one & two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Zkr-j4pt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6miUJuv7no
There's quite a lot to comment on, your thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Zkr-j4pt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6miUJuv7no
There's quite a lot to comment on, your thoughts?
When I tutored new officers, I always used to have them think of their "purpose and powers" when dealing with an incident. It avoids situations like this when you come across the occasional tool.
He's committed a moving traffic offence. The uniformed officer should have requested a specimen of breath. Let's see him provide that through the window.
He's committed a moving traffic offence. The uniformed officer should have requested a specimen of breath. Let's see him provide that through the window.
La Liga said:
When I tutored new officers, I always used to have them think of their "purpose and powers" when dealing with an incident. It avoids situations like this when you come across the occasional tool.
He's committed a moving traffic offence. The uniformed officer should have requested a specimen of breath. Let's see him provide that through the window.
With respect, the member of the public you refer to as a 'tool' seems to know the law better and deals with the situation more effectively than the Police officers do.He's committed a moving traffic offence. The uniformed officer should have requested a specimen of breath. Let's see him provide that through the window.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but he is only alleged to have been talking on his phone and could have given a breath test through the open window if requested perhaps?
Could they not have asked to have seen his phone? That (if done quickly enough) would have been the proof they needed right there.
Why interview him in the outside lane of a busy dual carriageway when he asked for it to be moved to one side?
I don't like to see people getting one up on the Police, but have to say I'm on the side of the motorist here and that they dealt with the situation pretty badly. I'm guessing she was a Rookie and probably learned a valuable lesson (we've all been there), but the more experienced officer was condescending and didn't deal with it much better TBH.
I think it outlines the difference between real real life situations and carefully chosen real life situations which we see on these 'Cops with cameras' type programs.
Got bored of yet another thread desperate to highlight the few bad police officers out there. Strange that the OP hasn't decided to post an example of the police doing one of the many things that are done on a daily basis and are more worthy of air time.
Anyway. His wingmirror is defective.
Anyway. His wingmirror is defective.
226bhp said:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but he is only alleged to have been talking on his phone and could have given a breath test through the open window if requested perhaps?
Yep, he'd have had to wind it down at the very least. 226bhp said:
Could they not have asked to have seen his phone? That (if done quickly enough) would have been the proof they needed right there.
No, you can commit the offence without a superficial audit i.e. type a text message whilst driving then delete it, going through Tweets and lots of other possibilities. 226bhp said:
Why interview him in the outside lane of a busy dual carriageway when he asked for it to be moved to one side?
It's not the best stop. Although we don't see the stop from the first video. It doesn't look a dangerous position so they may as well conclude where they started. 226bhp said:
I don't like to see people getting one up on the Police, but have to say I'm on the side of the motorist here and that they dealt with the situation pretty badly. I'm guessing she was a Rookie and probably learned a valuable lesson (we've all been there), but the more experienced officer was condescending and didn't deal with it much better TBH.
I was being critical when I said every officer should know their "powers and purpose". I don't think the second officer was condescending, just formal. Being very formal is the best way to deal with situations like this.
He could have easily been a dick and met the kid back with the same attitude and conducted a breath test breath test, checked all the tyres, he's probably a vehicle examiner being in traffic so could have done some things there. I don't even think there would have been a legal issue turning that into a stop and search. How many people act like that when stopped? But he didn't, he verified ID and reported for the offence he was stopped for.
226bhp said:
I think it outlines the difference between real real life situations and carefully chosen real life situations which we see on these 'Cops with cameras' type programs.
Situations like this aren't common, that's why they will take some officers by surprise as they have probably never had someone want to show their driving licence through a window. 226bhp said:
I don't like to see people getting one up on the Police, but have to say I'm on the side of the motorist here and that they dealt with the situation pretty badly.
The officer can either provide evidence that he was using a mobile phone beyond a reasonable doubt, or she can't. Nothing after the stop changes that. The only thing that changed was he went from a probable offer of a penalty notice to a possible court appearance. The lanyard has her warrant card attached.
The fact that she isn't in uniform suggests to me that she's not a student officer.
Poor choice of locations to stop and if that's her car in front, then silly with no lights.
Very much doubt it's her own car. I imagine CID or other non uniformed based role. She has her radio and lanyard so almost certainly on duty.
The fact that she isn't in uniform suggests to me that she's not a student officer.
Poor choice of locations to stop and if that's her car in front, then silly with no lights.
Very much doubt it's her own car. I imagine CID or other non uniformed based role. She has her radio and lanyard so almost certainly on duty.
Mk3Spitfire said:
Strange that the OP hasn't decided to post an example of the police doing one of the many things that are done on a daily basis and are more worthy of air time.
You've maybe not worded it very well, but can you give me an example? It's hard to find examples of 'good stuff' because, well, is that not the job of Police Officers? therefore it goes almost unreported. Not trying to wind you up (but probably will), but apologies if you take my comments as a slant against all police, everywhere etc.
I expect she would have used discretion if he'd have been more reasonable. I doubt she would be carrying fixed penalties in that role.
He may well have talked himself from discretion to a conviction at court. The only person he's probably "owned", is himself.
He may well have talked himself from discretion to a conviction at court. The only person he's probably "owned", is himself.
anonymous said:
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The forum is here to ask questions, you aren't to know otherwise. Complete and utter disrespect for the police. I would have thrown the book at the ignorant t
t. It is bad enough going to a supermarket checkout and having the girl serving you nattering with the girl on the next till never mind this situation.
Post should be renamed 'Abdurrahman Ismail acts a complete c#ck'
Pip
t. It is bad enough going to a supermarket checkout and having the girl serving you nattering with the girl on the next till never mind this situation.Post should be renamed 'Abdurrahman Ismail acts a complete c#ck'
Pip
Edited by Pip1968 on Friday 14th November 14:22
ikarl said:
You've maybe not worded it very well, but can you give me an example? It's hard to find examples of 'good stuff' because, well, is that not the job of Police Officers? therefore it goes almost unreported.
Not trying to wind you up (but probably will), but apologies if you take my comments as a slant against all police, everywhere etc.
Police officers go above and beyond what is expected of them on a daily basis. But people like the OP would much rather search out the (possibly) dubious incidents.Not trying to wind you up (but probably will), but apologies if you take my comments as a slant against all police, everywhere etc.
And don't worry, you're not winding me up.
Traffic cop dealt well ( with Cap on - note) in a col calm manner -the only way in these situations ans not getting into arguements with the driver - shows lack of experience on her part. She could easily have done that rather than getting herself all aerated and calling for help. She neednt even have stopped him- just submitted a statement with what she'd seen and had him summonsed. He'll contest it whether or not he was stopped
The driver simply knew his rights -like them or not - and stuck to his guns - didnt get out and didnt surrender his keys. Hes simply done what he's allowed to do - not a case of getting one up on the Cops. Hes obliged to stick to the rules by not using his phone - Police have rules to stick to when conducting the stop.
The driver simply knew his rights -like them or not - and stuck to his guns - didnt get out and didnt surrender his keys. Hes simply done what he's allowed to do - not a case of getting one up on the Cops. Hes obliged to stick to the rules by not using his phone - Police have rules to stick to when conducting the stop.
Edited by Bigends on Friday 14th November 16:12
Edited by Bigends on Friday 14th November 16:14
I didnt really mind her making a fool of herself. It was all the 'put your hands where I can see', 'you may make off', 'you have to come into the back of my car for an interview' (I would have taken her up on that offer) e.t.c. that made her look really stupid.
Whats even worse is that some on here have suggested they would request an unecessary breath test just so they have the final say and make sure he exits his vehicle. A bit like Sgt Kehoe did at the anti-fracking protest in Manchester.
Real question: whats that green tip on the radio?
Whats even worse is that some on here have suggested they would request an unecessary breath test just so they have the final say and make sure he exits his vehicle. A bit like Sgt Kehoe did at the anti-fracking protest in Manchester.
Real question: whats that green tip on the radio?
The driver is perfectly entitled to act like a tt if he so wishes if he does it without breaking the law. The police need to be able to deal with it. The first officer showed some serious issues in that regard. Even if the driver pulled the first tt move, I was on his side soon after due to how she was failing to deal with him properly.
The second chap showed the first exactly what she should have done. Hopefully she learnt something.
t if he so wishes if he does it without breaking the law. The police need to be able to deal with it. The first officer showed some serious issues in that regard. Even if the driver pulled the first tt move, I was on his side soon after due to how she was failing to deal with him properly. The second chap showed the first exactly what she should have done. Hopefully she learnt something.
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