Reselling Medical Equipment
Discussion
This is I believe the correct section for this so don't bother moving it to another thread.
Recently acquired some medical equipment unused from a friend who got it for his sports team which is no longer running.
The defibrillator is unused and is in practically new condition and a few clicks on the old google has shown it cost an absolute fortune to buy new, almost as much as a decent car.
Anyway I have no need for it and am looking to sell but a bit wary as it a serious bit of kit which usually requires some training to use.
Basically my question is.
Is it legal to sell a unused defibrillator to the public on eBay, gumtree etc?
The model was a consumer product you would find at a football club, gym, etc, not a professional unit you find in an ambulance.
Recently acquired some medical equipment unused from a friend who got it for his sports team which is no longer running.
The defibrillator is unused and is in practically new condition and a few clicks on the old google has shown it cost an absolute fortune to buy new, almost as much as a decent car.
Anyway I have no need for it and am looking to sell but a bit wary as it a serious bit of kit which usually requires some training to use.
Basically my question is.
Is it legal to sell a unused defibrillator to the public on eBay, gumtree etc?
The model was a consumer product you would find at a football club, gym, etc, not a professional unit you find in an ambulance.
Edited by CMYKguru on Tuesday 18th November 22:08
The only real question is how legal is it, for the OP to claim ownership. A defib. is not cheap so how was it acquired in the first place? It may have been acquired via help from the British Heart Foundation (BHF), if it was then the honorable thing would be to give it back to them and them put it to good use.
If not the BHF then you could still give it back to them, after all I doubt the money to buy it was given to end up lining some bodies pocket.
If not the BHF then you could still give it back to them, after all I doubt the money to buy it was given to end up lining some bodies pocket.
Hello! I work on Ambulances - and yep, you can buy and sell any medical equipment you like, in the same way you'd buy and sell anything!
There are a lot of private individuals and companies, who do their own self-employed work, from things like event cover, right up to contracting shifts for the NHS Ambulance Service Trusts. They often buy and sell kit. Anyone can buy stuff like Defibrillators from companies that sell online like BoundTree Medical etc.
The only limitations are:
Some stuff is time / date life sensitive - so, there will be a month / year date stamp on it that says when the kit has to be replaced. With Defibrillators, this is usually the battery pack. So take it out and have a look at it.
Anything that is like 'emergency' sound or lighting, especially anything that can be fitted to a vehicle - e.g. blue lights and sirens, should not be sold to the general public. Most people who deal in this kit ask to see evidence of a Medical Company, or professional clinical registration.
Lastly, and amazingly - sometimes there can be kit in circulation that has been stolen from NHS Trusts. It does happen, as difficult as that is to believe. So, be VERY careful about the origins of anything, and check, check, and double check again where it came from. Trusts have people actively looking at the internet every day, trying to track down thieves and stolen kit. They are very good at it. So whatever you do, DON'T get caught selling anything dodgy!
You could try Ebay or Gumtree as you said - but there are also a few groups on Facebook who buy and sell kit. Have a look on there maybe, and you might find a decent buyer fairly quickly.
HTH.
There are a lot of private individuals and companies, who do their own self-employed work, from things like event cover, right up to contracting shifts for the NHS Ambulance Service Trusts. They often buy and sell kit. Anyone can buy stuff like Defibrillators from companies that sell online like BoundTree Medical etc.
The only limitations are:
Some stuff is time / date life sensitive - so, there will be a month / year date stamp on it that says when the kit has to be replaced. With Defibrillators, this is usually the battery pack. So take it out and have a look at it.
Anything that is like 'emergency' sound or lighting, especially anything that can be fitted to a vehicle - e.g. blue lights and sirens, should not be sold to the general public. Most people who deal in this kit ask to see evidence of a Medical Company, or professional clinical registration.
Lastly, and amazingly - sometimes there can be kit in circulation that has been stolen from NHS Trusts. It does happen, as difficult as that is to believe. So, be VERY careful about the origins of anything, and check, check, and double check again where it came from. Trusts have people actively looking at the internet every day, trying to track down thieves and stolen kit. They are very good at it. So whatever you do, DON'T get caught selling anything dodgy!
You could try Ebay or Gumtree as you said - but there are also a few groups on Facebook who buy and sell kit. Have a look on there maybe, and you might find a decent buyer fairly quickly.
HTH.
As Ray says in his reply if the equipment is legitmately owned it can be re-sold, if equipment has been grant aided there may be some issues. Interestingly there is no law governing the sale of medical devices in the UK ( vs the sale or acquistion of medications other than those on the general sales list )
To the poster suggesting donating it to 'St. Johns Ambulance ' who are they ? St John Ambulance may or may not accept the donation - the organisation does not like 'orphan' machines - If it's the same type as a model in use in the relevant region they may accept donation subject to proof of the right to assign it and subject to servicing / checks.
To the poster suggesting donating it to 'St. Johns Ambulance ' who are they ? St John Ambulance may or may not accept the donation - the organisation does not like 'orphan' machines - If it's the same type as a model in use in the relevant region they may accept donation subject to proof of the right to assign it and subject to servicing / checks.
mph1977 said:
CMYKguru said:
Perhaps when the UK stops funding the Indian Space Programme with it's aid budget
what's that got to do with the activities of St John Ambulance ?I'm all for charity but far too much money gets mismanaged into the huge salaries of the managers and charity fundraisers.
So whilst I appreciate the suggestion I won't on this occasion be donating.
CMYKguru said:
My point is that if the UK Government put as much money into St Johns coffers as they do throwing money into the pockets of other countries which have their priorities in the wrong place then they wouldn't need donations.
I'm all for charity but far too much money gets mismanaged into the huge salaries of the managers and charity fundraisers.
So whilst I appreciate the suggestion I won't on this occasion be donating.
I think you are missing a point here, UK SJA isn't the primary statutory provider ( unlike SJA NZ) work SJA does for the NHS is paid for by whichever NHS body contracts it. Work SJA does for private sector business and for other 3rd sector orgs is paid for by those orgsnisations.I'm all for charity but far too much money gets mismanaged into the huge salaries of the managers and charity fundraisers.
So whilst I appreciate the suggestion I won't on this occasion be donating.
The charitable output towards the Statutory provision is minimal unless it's a major incident when iirc the first 24-48 hours of SJA involvement is 'free' after that it's charged at the normal NHS rate.
Edited to add, much as the RNLI and mountain rescue don't want to be 'taken over' and become a statutory organisation , I don't think SJA do either, nor does SJA seem to be especially keen on picking up whole Ambulance service contracts ( leave that to Arriva and NSL) - after fingers got burnt in london a few years ago) even if they are investing in support to satutory services, and niche areas (e.g. bariatric across the english regions, there's at least three of the paeds retrievial teams using SJA provided Ambulances, support vehicles and tech level crews - clinician input coming from the recieving Paeds ICU Doctors / Nurses /ODPs and SJA East Mids has just won a contract to run the falls serice in rural Derbyshire / peaks and are advertising for Paramedics with practitioner skills for this service ( as well as ECA /ETA/EMT/ IHCD tech) - i don;t know if EMAS bid for that contract - they run the similar service in Notts)
Edited by mph1977 on Wednesday 19th November 17:13
CMYKguru said:
My point is that if the UK Government put as much money into St Johns coffers as they do throwing money into the pockets of other countries which have their priorities in the wrong place then they wouldn't need donations.
I'm all for charity but far too much money gets mismanaged into the huge salaries of the managers and charity fundraisers.
So whilst I appreciate the suggestion I won't on this occasion be donating.
FYI, they are: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20265583I'm all for charity but far too much money gets mismanaged into the huge salaries of the managers and charity fundraisers.
So whilst I appreciate the suggestion I won't on this occasion be donating.
Sounds like you're taking about an AED (automatic external defibrillator) which can indeed by sold to anyone.
There's also no worry it can do any damage "in the wrong hands" as this device will only shock shockable rhythms, so attaching it to a healthy person and (accidentally) pressing the shock button won't do anything.
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
but there are also a few groups on Facebook who buy and sell kit. Have a look on there maybe, and you might find a decent buyer fairly quickly
.This. There's a large market for these things and at a good price it'll sell in no time.
Vaud said:
FYI, they are: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20265583
Well, they _aren't_, because UK aid has NEVER funded the Indian space programme. It funds development and poverty-relief projects in a country that contains the vast majority of the world's poorest people.https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
But that doesn't make such nice tabloid headlines, does it?
Drumroll said:
whilst it is true the UK never directly funded the space programme, it could be argued that by us sending money to India, we enabled the Indian Government to divert money they would have spent on there own people to their space programme
Or you could say the money sent there was bribe money so that india would do more trade with the UK, thus its actually helping us more than keeping the aid money ever would.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/aid-...
TooMany2cvs said:
Vaud said:
FYI, they are: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20265583
Well, they _aren't_, because UK aid has NEVER funded the Indian space programme. It funds development and poverty-relief projects in a country that contains the vast majority of the world's poorest people.https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
But that doesn't make such nice tabloid headlines, does it?
I prefer to base my ethics and morality on a consistent ideology of "do unto others", rather than them being loose and changeable based on the unrelated actions of others.
Effectively saying "I'm right to do X because Y happened", when Y is completely unrelated and irrelevant is just as bad - if not worse - as people who fraudulently claim for whiplash "because everyone else does it". You don't have to change the World, or turn the tide - or even imagine you will - through your actions, but it's still the decent and right thing to do. Anything else is just mock virtuosity.
Effectively saying "I'm right to do X because Y happened", when Y is completely unrelated and irrelevant is just as bad - if not worse - as people who fraudulently claim for whiplash "because everyone else does it". You don't have to change the World, or turn the tide - or even imagine you will - through your actions, but it's still the decent and right thing to do. Anything else is just mock virtuosity.
Durzel said:
I prefer to base my ethics and morality on a consistent ideology of "do unto others", rather than them being loose and changeable based on the unrelated actions of others.
Effectively saying "I'm right to do X because Y happened", when Y is completely unrelated and irrelevant is just as bad - if not worse - as people who fraudulently claim for whiplash "because everyone else does it". You don't have to change the World, or turn the tide - or even imagine you will - through your actions, but it's still the decent and right thing to do. Anything else is just mock virtuosity.
Don't come on here with your bleeding heart, social conscience nonsense. Cuts no ice on PH, where it's basically every man for himself & fEffectively saying "I'm right to do X because Y happened", when Y is completely unrelated and irrelevant is just as bad - if not worse - as people who fraudulently claim for whiplash "because everyone else does it". You don't have to change the World, or turn the tide - or even imagine you will - through your actions, but it's still the decent and right thing to do. Anything else is just mock virtuosity.
k everyone else. 
CMYKguru said:
The defibrillator is unused and is in practically new condition
Our village is looking to buy one of these in the very near future. The chap running the committee is clued up with them, and knows about replacing the batteries etc.
If you were selling at a reasonable price, considering that it will be funded by villagers, including me, we might be interested.
If you can PM me the make and model, and how much you were looking to get for it, I can put you in touch with the very decent chap and my neighbour who is the head of the committee.
JustinP1 said:
CMYKguru said:
The defibrillator is unused and is in practically new condition
Our village is looking to buy one of these in the very near future. The chap running the committee is clued up with them, and knows about replacing the batteries etc.
If you were selling at a reasonable price, considering that it will be funded by villagers, including me, we might be interested.
If you can PM me the make and model, and how much you were looking to get for it, I can put you in touch with the very decent chap and my neighbour who is the head of the committee.
JustinP1 said:
Our village is looking to buy one of these in the very near future....
There is one in our village one the wall just outside the pub. It has pictorial instructions on it so I guess it must be an easy/not that dangerous thing to use, so I would think there is no reason why the OP shouldn't sell it.
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