Expecting an invoice from private carpark
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Over Christmas it was heaving and a car registered to me was parked in what looked like a layby area in main park, along with a few other cars. Apparently they all got invoices although my car's was mislaid so I don't know what it said...
Supposedly it was within the two hours free parking and the layout apparently looks like these are spaces, let into the flower beds around the edge of the carpark, others clearly thought they were spaces too and naturally there was no obstruction.
However, if and when the invoice comes through I'm unsure whether to just bin it or reply to say that given the lack of signage and sub two hour stay I'm unsure what loss they're mitigating and am unable to consider their invoice until such time as they can substantiate one.
What's the latest thinking please? CBA with this popla thing unless it's particularly sensible to do that, would rather they sued me assuming my case is watertight which it seems to be, although IANAL
Supposedly it was within the two hours free parking and the layout apparently looks like these are spaces, let into the flower beds around the edge of the carpark, others clearly thought they were spaces too and naturally there was no obstruction.
However, if and when the invoice comes through I'm unsure whether to just bin it or reply to say that given the lack of signage and sub two hour stay I'm unsure what loss they're mitigating and am unable to consider their invoice until such time as they can substantiate one.
What's the latest thinking please? CBA with this popla thing unless it's particularly sensible to do that, would rather they sued me assuming my case is watertight which it seems to be, although IANAL
Edited by supermono on Thursday 15th January 15:12
What company was it enforcing the car park?
In any event wait for the first letter, personally I only bother contesting Parking Eye invoices through POPLA based on factors relevent to the location/event but always include the genuine pre-estimate of loss aspect. Only do this for Parking Eye as they have been known to progress to court, all others I bin as I can't be bothered with the hassle (average one a week for parking in my own residents bay, as defined in my flat's deeds).
In any event wait for the first letter, personally I only bother contesting Parking Eye invoices through POPLA based on factors relevent to the location/event but always include the genuine pre-estimate of loss aspect. Only do this for Parking Eye as they have been known to progress to court, all others I bin as I can't be bothered with the hassle (average one a week for parking in my own residents bay, as defined in my flat's deeds).
I thought it is after 28 days but within 56 days of the initial 'ticket' being applied to the windscreen, when the NTK should arrive.
Also, OP, is the car registered to a company or to a family member? In the former case (ie company car or hire car), the best time to engage would be before the first 28 days is/was up.
Finally, when engaging, write in the third person - do not name anyone involved or refer to their gender in any way whatsoever.
Also, OP, is the car registered to a company or to a family member? In the former case (ie company car or hire car), the best time to engage would be before the first 28 days is/was up.
Finally, when engaging, write in the third person - do not name anyone involved or refer to their gender in any way whatsoever.
aw51 121565 said:
I thought it is after 28 days but within 56 days of the initial 'ticket' being applied to the windscreen, when the NTK should arrive.
Also, OP, is the car registered to a company or to a family member? In the former case (ie company car or hire car), the best time to engage would be before the first 28 days is/was up.
Finally, when engaging, write in the third person - do not name anyone involved or refer to their gender in any way whatsoever.
It's registered to me. Thanks for the advice about wording was thinking it would be something very brief "you are invoicing for a car registered in my name parked apparently contrary to some rule but without any indication of any loss of parking income I'm unable to consider your invoice further" I might then say dealing with any further correspondence on the matter which fails to substantiate the lost income will be charged at my usual hourly rate of £80. Maybe.Also, OP, is the car registered to a company or to a family member? In the former case (ie company car or hire car), the best time to engage would be before the first 28 days is/was up.
Finally, when engaging, write in the third person - do not name anyone involved or refer to their gender in any way whatsoever.
Just seems better if it gets to court to set this out early to them so they know my position and have a chance to forget about it.
supermono
You seem to be on the right track about dealing with the PPS. However just get onto pepipoo to check it is ok, and get some free advice froms guys on there who help for the benefit of other motorists in not letting them shell out up to £100.00.
however there will be several on here who will
1) rip the urine out of these so called ( by them) barroom lawyers, but a lot of these are lay lawyers, and know as much if not more about parking regs both private and council than some barristers/solicitors
2) get messages from other who tell you to man up and pay ( you will find most of these will squeal like a pig should it happen to them)
3) others tell you to ignore ( from 2012 this advice does not apply) see earlier ref to Parking Eye
4) some, like me, who will advise you to check with pepipoo.com, and then use your own judgement on what to do, BUT, do tell them exactly what you have done, they dont like people who 'fudge the truth'
As an aside to pepipoo, it is worth reading some of the posts on how thick some drivers are
In the end it is your choice, but seriously think about your CBA comment, it may be worth half an hour of your time to save some money ( unless you earn more that £140.00 ph)
You seem to be on the right track about dealing with the PPS. However just get onto pepipoo to check it is ok, and get some free advice froms guys on there who help for the benefit of other motorists in not letting them shell out up to £100.00.
however there will be several on here who will
1) rip the urine out of these so called ( by them) barroom lawyers, but a lot of these are lay lawyers, and know as much if not more about parking regs both private and council than some barristers/solicitors
2) get messages from other who tell you to man up and pay ( you will find most of these will squeal like a pig should it happen to them)
3) others tell you to ignore ( from 2012 this advice does not apply) see earlier ref to Parking Eye
4) some, like me, who will advise you to check with pepipoo.com, and then use your own judgement on what to do, BUT, do tell them exactly what you have done, they dont like people who 'fudge the truth'
As an aside to pepipoo, it is worth reading some of the posts on how thick some drivers are
In the end it is your choice, but seriously think about your CBA comment, it may be worth half an hour of your time to save some money ( unless you earn more that £140.00 ph)
Edited by silverfoxcc on Thursday 15th January 15:36
@supermono. Not trying to troll. As you weren't in a space and didn't overstay then Shirley the GPEOL arguments are irrelevant. If there is a big area marked "NO PARKING", which is for deliveries, then parking there for any period of time may attract a ticket. Your scenario is more like that than the usual overstay. What is your grounds for appealing?
speedking31 said:
@supermono. Not trying to troll. As you weren't in a space and didn't overstay then Shirley the GPEOL arguments are irrelevant. If there is a big area marked "NO PARKING", which is for deliveries, then parking there for any period of time may attract a ticket. Your scenario is more like that than the usual overstay. What is your grounds for appealing?
Appealing is the wrong word as it suggests some legal basis rather than what amounts to a disputed speculative invoice from a chancer.That aside my car was left in a space that looked like a space to the person who parked my car and to other people. There were no more or less markings on this area than any other area nor any signs asking not to park there. The car was left within the two hours freeparking and was in nobody's way.
So it's not really what grounds I have for declining their request for money, instead a case of wanting to know from them their justification for raising an invoice, other than the obvious borderline extortion.
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