Trader selling car as spares/repairs.
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Looking at purchasing a car off eBay advertised by a trader as spares/repairs, car apparently drives fine and has current MOT, advert states the car must be trailered away...
I enquired as to the reason why and the reply was as follows,
"The law dictates when a vehicle is sold for spares or repair it must not be driven from trade premises"
How true is this?
I enquired as to the reason why and the reply was as follows,
"The law dictates when a vehicle is sold for spares or repair it must not be driven from trade premises"
How true is this?
It's not true - but if it's cheap then it's not going to hurt you is it. However if they are asking decent money and then giving these conditions I'd be running a mile. Pay spares or repairs prices and you won't be disappointed. My guess would be that they are asking more - but don't want the comeback. And that could get tricky for both of you if things go wrong.
Aydena said:
It's a cheap Snotter, nothing fancy at all.
If I were to have it I'd like to go up and drive it home as opposed to arranging transport to get It back.
Then buy it and then drive it... Once you have paid there isn't a lot they can do is there. Tell them your driving it around the corner to wait for a mate with a wink. If I were to have it I'd like to go up and drive it home as opposed to arranging transport to get It back.
They really are not going to care once they have your money and you have signed to say it's underivable and therefore you have no come back with the sales of goods act.
Trading standards advice:-
"If you are in trade and supply unroadworthy vehicles, you must ensure that you take all reasonable steps to inform prospective customers that they must not use the vehicle on the road.
Make it clear in advertisements that the vehicle is unroadworthy and is being sold only for spare parts or repair.
Display the vehicle separately and mark it 'UNROADWORTHY'.
Ask the buyer to sign an acknowledgement that the care is unroadworthy, itemise all known faults, and mark that the car is being sold for 'spares or repair'. Give the buyer a copy.
Write 'UNROADWORTHY--SOLD FOR SPARES OR REPAIRS--NOT FOR USE ON THE ROAD' across the sales invoice. Give the buyer a copy.
Do not hand over any paperwork which may suggest that the vehicle is roadworthy such as a current MOT certificate or tax disc.
Make sure that the buyer does not drive away an unroadworthy vehicle. It should be collected or delivered on a trailer."
"If you are in trade and supply unroadworthy vehicles, you must ensure that you take all reasonable steps to inform prospective customers that they must not use the vehicle on the road.
Make it clear in advertisements that the vehicle is unroadworthy and is being sold only for spare parts or repair.
Display the vehicle separately and mark it 'UNROADWORTHY'.
Ask the buyer to sign an acknowledgement that the care is unroadworthy, itemise all known faults, and mark that the car is being sold for 'spares or repair'. Give the buyer a copy.
Write 'UNROADWORTHY--SOLD FOR SPARES OR REPAIRS--NOT FOR USE ON THE ROAD' across the sales invoice. Give the buyer a copy.
Do not hand over any paperwork which may suggest that the vehicle is roadworthy such as a current MOT certificate or tax disc.
Make sure that the buyer does not drive away an unroadworthy vehicle. It should be collected or delivered on a trailer."
Probably just avoiding any warranty or SOGA comeback. Too many people expect years of fault free motoring having spent pennies for the car and selling cars like this is a way around this and avoids numpty buyers.
Can be a good way to get a cheap used car as long as you buy with your eyes open and have a trailer of course!
Can be a good way to get a cheap used car as long as you buy with your eyes open and have a trailer of course!
valiant said:
Probably just avoiding any warranty or SOGA comeback. Too many people expect years of fault free motoring having spent pennies for the car and selling cars like this is a way around this and avoids numpty buyers.
Can be a good way to get a cheap used car as long as you buy with your eyes open and have a trailer of course!
Trader selling to trader, this "sold as seen/spares or repair" guff stands; cf trader selling to private punter - RTA88 sec 75 or not (other [consumer-based] legislation supersedes this but please don't ask me to cite it Can be a good way to get a cheap used car as long as you buy with your eyes open and have a trailer of course!
) - "sold as seen/ spares or repair" has no legs at all and collapses...PS I paid £300 for a 22 year old 35k miles car 6 years ago from a dealer; I'm still driving it quite happily having paid for nothing other than consumables over the past 24k miles
.There's a reason the trader is flagging it - either he's straight up or is trying to avoid comeback - either way there's something wrong with it, otherwise it would be sold as 'a fine car for its age taken in px with MOT' or whatever. Now, to choose to drive that to save some money on a trailer but risk an accident or a pull? hmmm.
funkyrobot said:
I'm seeing quite a lot of this on car ads at the moment.
I think it is sometimes being used a way to avoid any comeback on the sale.
I don't see any problem with that - better than the old "sold as seen" as at least it makes the situation crystal clear. The alternative is to drive the market for low cost cars underground.I think it is sometimes being used a way to avoid any comeback on the sale.
funkyrobot said:
I'm seeing quite a lot of this on car ads at the moment.
I think it is sometimes being used a way to avoid any comeback on the sale.
Same here I see it as a pathetic attempt to wiggle out of any responsibility.I think it is sometimes being used a way to avoid any comeback on the sale.
I've seen a few adds now that include a line along the lines of we inspect all our cars and try to list known faults but we recommend you allow £XXX to allow for repairs to ensure the car meets your expectations"
aka_kerrly said:
Same here I see it as a pathetic attempt to wiggle out of any responsibility.
I've seen a few adds now that include a line along the lines of we inspect all our cars and try to list known faults but we recommend you allow £XXX to allow for repairs to ensure the car meets your expectations"
I see it as a way of allowing a trader to sell a car for slightly more than the scrap value without having to treat it as if it was fresh off the forecourt for the fifty or a hundred pounds he has in it. Suits me, might not suit everyone, and might discourage the idiots.I've seen a few adds now that include a line along the lines of we inspect all our cars and try to list known faults but we recommend you allow £XXX to allow for repairs to ensure the car meets your expectations"
pork911 said:
There's a reason the trader is flagging it - either he's straight up or is trying to avoid comeback - either way there's something wrong with it, otherwise it would be sold as 'a fine car for its age taken in px with MOT' or whatever. Now, to choose to drive that to save some money on a trailer but risk an accident or a pull? hmmm.
Of course there's something wrong with it. He's selling it as unroadworthy, for spares only, must be trailered away for f
ks sake! Jesus Christ don't people actually read the post? The trader could write "absolute shed, won't get 50 yards down the road, mustn't be driven anywhere, ever, under any circumstances, suitable only for scrapping" and you'd still think he was trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Trading standards advice:-
Do not hand over any paperwork which may suggest that the vehicle is roadworthy such as a current MOT certificate or tax disc.
Do not hand over any paperwork which may suggest that the vehicle is roadworthy such as a current MOT certificate or tax disc.
Aydena said:
advertised by a trader as spares/repairs, car apparently drives fine and has current MOT,
Interesting. In an attempt to maximise the price there is mention of the fact that the car is 'fine' and that it has a current MOT. I'd suggest that rather than being unroadworthy, it's the sort of s
tter, you wouldn't want to give a 3 month soga implied warranty on, because it's going to have a risk of unreliability. unrepentant said:
Of course there's something wrong with it. He's selling it as unroadworthy, for spares only, must be trailered away for fks sake! Jesus Christ don't people actually read the post?
The trader could write "absolute shed, won't get 50 yards down the road, mustn't be driven anywhere, ever, under any circumstances, suitable only for scrapping" and you'd still think he was trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
That is not what he has said though is it ks sake! Jesus Christ don't people actually read the post? The trader could write "absolute shed, won't get 50 yards down the road, mustn't be driven anywhere, ever, under any circumstances, suitable only for scrapping" and you'd still think he was trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
He said it drives fine, but needs to be trailered for legal reasons
insisting the buyer trailer it away gives them a pretty good leg to stand on, but saying it drives fine and giving the mot with it knocks them back down, especially if it's priced around the trade in value or above.
unrepentant said:
Of course there's something wrong with it.
Not necessarily - it could just be too cheap to sell "legitimately".You might be out of touch with UK consumer law but any fault that appears within 6 mths can be assumed to be pre-existing, so down to the dealer.
Of course price paid etc has a bearing, but there was one a year or two ago where a dealer got spanked over a £400 van.
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