Sold a non runner without a log book - parking ticket !!

[Stinkfoot]

Need a bit of advice please. My son has sold his last car as a non runner (it went bang before the log book had arrived) and he sold it on but forgot to get the buyers address on the receipt and now you guessed, it he has a parking ticket.

What is the best way to proceed and limit his liability for any future fines that may turn up ?

[velocefica]

Just get in contact with the DVLA and state clearly

' I am no longer the registered keeper of this car as of *date car was sold*"

[Stinkfoot]

velocefica said:

Just get in contact with the DVLA and state clearly

' I am no longer the registered keeper of this car as of *date car was sold*"

Does it matter that he cannot state the new owners details ? He will pay any fine the DVLA impose but will that be the end of it if he does that ?

Edited by Stinkfoot on Tuesday 26th May 00:36

[Cliftonite]

Stinkfoot said:

Does it matter that he cannot state the new owners details ? He will pay any fine the DVLA impose but will that be the end of it if he does that.

End of it? Until the next ticket arrives . . .

[BertBert]

Obviously he can't tell DVLA who the new keeper is which he is obliged to do.

I suggest he writes to DVLA telling them that he's not the RK any more, but doesn't know who is the new RK. Then ask them what to do.

Bert

This is what he was supposed to do (from https://www.gov.uk/notifying-dvla-if-you-sell-your... ), but clearly can't
If you don’t have a V5C registration certificate write to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AR giving the:

vehicle registration mark
make and model
exact date of sale
name and address of the new keeper
your signature

[btcc123]

Stinkfoot said:

Need a bit of advice please. My son has sold his last car as a non runner (it went bang before the log book had arrived) and he sold it on but forgot to get the buyers address on the receipt and now you guessed, it he has a parking ticket.

What is the best way to proceed and limit his liability for any future fines that may turn up ?

Why did he not have the V5 when he sold the car.To sell a car without the V5 and also to forget to record the new owners name and address is beyond belief that someone could be so stupid.

So you have a parking ticket now,so what happens when he get a NIP for doing 40 in a 30 or even a summons for doing 110 on the motorway and have to attend court.What do you think the magistrate will think when he pleads not guilty and tell him the story,he will not believe him and give him a longer ban and bigger fine.

This could turn out to be a major problem so I wish you well and hope you can sort it out soon.

[Stinkfoot]

Thanks for the advice Bert. I feel like banging his head against the wall as I am aware of how important it is but I was at work when the guy picked it up. I can only guess that my boy was still upset at having to sell the car because of the engine failure.

[BertBert]

btcc123 said:

Why did he not have the V5 when he sold the car.To sell a car without the V5 and also to forget to record the new owners name and address is beyond belief that someone could be so stupid.

So you have a parking ticket now,so what happens when he get a NIP for doing 40 in a 30 or even a summons for doing 110 on the motorway and have to attend court.What do you think the magistrate will think when he pleads not guilty and tell him the story,he will not believe him and give him a longer ban and bigger fine.

This could turn out to be a major problem so I wish you well and hope you can sort it out soon.

Yes, I think we have got that he should have known better. But all that summons, attend court, not being believed is just daft talk. If you think that if this happened (the court hearing) and the mag could not be convinced of the facts, then you live in a different country to me.

Bert

[btcc123]

BertBert said:

btcc123 said:

Why did he not have the V5 when he sold the car.To sell a car without the V5 and also to forget to record the new owners name and address is beyond belief that someone could be so stupid.

So you have a parking ticket now,so what happens when he get a NIP for doing 40 in a 30 or even a summons for doing 110 on the motorway and have to attend court.What do you think the magistrate will think when he pleads not guilty and tell him the story,he will not believe him and give him a longer ban and bigger fine.

This could turn out to be a major problem so I wish you well and hope you can sort it out soon.

Yes, I think we have got that he should have known better. But all that summons, attend court, not being believed is just daft talk. If you think that if this happened (the court hearing) and the mag could not be convinced of the facts, then you live in a different country to me.

Bert

I know it is unlikely but could happen and yes I probably live in a different country than you.

[Stinkfoot]

He bought the car without the logbook as the seller had not received it and the receipt showed this. The car blew its engine only 2 weeks later and he was made an offer which he took hence sold with no log book. He just forgot to get the guys address on the receipt - stupid I know but no intent on his part.

Also the guy lives in Hertfordshire and we live in Kent and he was at work at the time of the parking 'offence' so he would have no problem proving he was not driving it at the time. Stupid aint the word though !

As a further point, its showing up as insured so does that make any difference ? He changed his insurance over to his new car so it looks like the guy has at least insured it.

Edited by Stinkfoot on Tuesday 26th May 10:11

[gnc]

had same sort of problem about 13 years ago. sold car, trusted buyer to change log book, moved house and then later found out the debt collectors had called at old home, ( parking fine ) got on phone to the appropriatte company, explaned the situation, grovelled, had to send a solicitor witnessed statement stating id been silly etc, and it was cleared up. also had speeding ticket from a bike id sold. moral of story TRUST NO ONE . i now get a reciept with date and time signed ( they could lose your licence for you on their way home )

[btcc123]

Stinkfoot said:

He bought the car without the logbook as the seller had not received it and the receipt showed this. The car blew its engine only 2 weeks later and he was made an offer which he took hence sold with no log book. He just forgot to get the guys address on the receipt - stupid I know but no intent on his part.

Also the guy lives in Hertfordshire and we live in Kent and he was at work at the time of the parking 'offence' so he would have no problem proving he was not driving it at the time. Stupid aint the word though !

As a further point, its showing up as insured so does that make any difference ? He changed his insurance over to his new car so it looks like the guy has at least insured it.

Edited by Stinkfoot on Tuesday 26th May 10:11

Its a bit dodgy to buy a car without the V5 but your son was unlucky that the engine blew up after 2 weeks but have a feeling that the missing V5 may have had something to do with the engine blowing.

If the car is showing as insured I guess the guy who bought the car has had it repaired and back on the road.

Did your son ever receive the V5 and what have the DVLA said when you phoned them.

[MoggieMinor]

btcc123 said:

Stinkfoot said:

Need a bit of advice please. My son has sold his last car as a non runner (it went bang before the log book had arrived) and he sold it on but forgot to get the buyers address on the receipt and now you guessed, it he has a parking ticket.

What is the best way to proceed and limit his liability for any future fines that may turn up ?

Why did he not have the V5 when he sold the car.To sell a car without the V5 and also to forget to record the new owners name and address is beyond belief that someone could be so stupid.

So you have a parking ticket now,so what happens when he get a NIP for doing 40 in a 30 or even a summons for doing 110 on the motorway and have to attend court.What do you think the magistrate will think when he pleads not guilty and tell him the story,he will not believe him and give him a longer ban and bigger fine.

This could turn out to be a major problem so I wish you well and hope you can sort it out soon.

Bit over the top. Its hardly the end of the world. The V5 is just a piece of paper and not a particularly important one at that. It isn't even proof of ownership. All the lad has to do is write to DVLA and state the car was sold on whatever date.

He was a bit naive of course but haven't we all been guilty of that at some point? If I sell a car now it doesn't leave my drive until the new keepers name address and signature are on the V5 and its posted in the letter box across the road.

[ferrariF50lover]

The new owner has insured the car. From this we can presume that it isn't a donor card parked in a shed awaiting a strip.
Logical extrapolation from here leads us to the idea that the car, therefore, will be used on the road. If the new owner has gone to the expense/trouble of insuring it, it's a fair guess he'll bother to tax it too. At this point (and I'm now guessing, because I don't know), he'll have to contact the DVLA, either for a new log book or to find some other way of taxing the car. It's at this stage that he'll tell them his name, address and the reg of the car and, because they're all Alan Turing in disuse up that way, the matter will be resolved.

I'm starting to lose faith in this plan, but it's worth a shot?

[Soov535]

Your son needs a foot up his arse.

Wait for the speeding tickets to roll in.

[Davel]

Don't pay it just say that he no longer owns the car.

By paying it, others may well arrive.

[Stinkfoot]

Believe me he has got the full hair drier from me ! He is writing a letter to DVLA as we speak but the point about the tax and MOT is very good as ultimately he wont be able to tax or MOt online. I dont actually think the guy is trying it on but I will update you guys in due course.
Thanks for the help so far.

[Stinkfoot]

A quick update. My son managed to get in contact with the buyer who was very helpful. He gave him his full name and address and as a poster here had said, he had already applied for a new log book in his name in order to tax and insure it. He said the parking ticket was outside his house and he will sort it.

We are still gonna write to the DVLA just to say the car is no longer his concern and also make a call to the council. I think my son has come off lightly to be honest and I doubt he will make the same mistake again.

Thanks for your help guys

[BertBert]

Stinkfoot said:

A quick update. My son managed to get in contact with the buyer who was very helpful. He gave him his full name and address and as a poster here had said, he had already applied for a new log book in his name in order to tax and insure it. He said the parking ticket was outside his house and he will sort it.

We are still gonna write to the DVLA just to say the car is no longer his concern and also make a call to the council. I think my son has come off lightly to be honest and I doubt he will make the same mistake again.

Thanks for your help guys

Now you have name and address you can follow dvla's instructions which I kindly quoted above

Mind you as other posters have said he deserves life in prison for his action which he'll get as soon as the S172 for the hit and run pops through the door

[rambo19]

I always put the time the car was sold as well.
IE;
sold to mr joe bloggs at 1430hrs on the 1/1/2015.