MEN Reporter at GMP Misconduct hearing in Public
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Just chanced upon this:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
I suppose the Facebook posting may reach the public domain afterwards. The updates are only half the story without the evidence about the alleged misconduct.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
I suppose the Facebook posting may reach the public domain afterwards. The updates are only half the story without the evidence about the alleged misconduct.
calibrax said:
Seems to me that, as it says in the article, the comment is about segregation and lack of integration being a bad thing. Could have been worded better, but definitely not racist, IMO.
The risk of Social Media is that colleagues or Managers can take postings out of context and make mountains out of molehills or tit for tat ammunition if there's a grievance or personal issue.carinaman said:
It seems to relate to a Daily Mail article.
Perhaps the police trainers and PSD types that give the Social Media awareness training should just warn officers not to visit the Daily Mail website?
everyone should be warned not to visit that Perhaps the police trainers and PSD types that give the Social Media awareness training should just warn officers not to visit the Daily Mail website?
but really, relating it to the article rather than just what he chose to write, come on
A Birmingham local newspaper ran with the same story a week later:
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/local-news/bi...
The quotes by Dr David Owen in that article seem to support what the officer said about birth rates and religion.
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/local-news/bi...
The quotes by Dr David Owen in that article seem to support what the officer said about birth rates and religion.
La Liga said:
It's a badly worded comment showing poor judgement.
It is.La Liga said:
Internal matters shouldn't be in the public domain. If it amounts to a criminal matter, then that's fine, it can be in the public domain.
But officer A could have recently had a bit of a fling with officer C. Officer C is more popular or has been at that police station longer so has more friends there. Officer C could be a superior officer's blue eyed girl or blue eyed boy. Officer C may have gone around spreading their side of the relationship with the odd embellishment or untruth.
Officer A making an ill thought out comment online could be just the dirt officer C needs to get officer A sacked and out of their life and out of their police station.
Police disciplinary procedures can be misused. Having police misconduct hearings in public may reduce the temptation to misappropriate police disciplinary procedures in such a way.
Having police misconduct hearings in public may also increase public confidence in the police.
La Liga said:
It's a badly worded comment showing poor judgement.
It most certainly is.La Liga said:
Internal matters shouldn't be in the public domain.
You don't think that correct procedure should be seen to be done? I prefer this to everything being done behind closed doors.My understanding is that his name will be withheld unless found 'guilty'.
Edited by Rovinghawk on Friday 5th June 20:12
A bit off topic but related to the disciplinary process in the police.
Do you know several police officers get away with wrongdoing as I discovered all that was required for a police officer was to deny the allegations and that was the end of the case so long it wasnt a complaint that met the Reg 9 thredhold. They like to call it local resolution. This is why 100% of complaints initially get the "on the balance of probability, no evidence of wrongdoing" reply in the first instance.
Majority of complainants just accept this. It is simply amazing that the police who are tasked with investigating crimes need to be told how to investigate a complaint.
Imagine the police sending out a "on the balance of probabilities" letter for a complaint about an incident that happened in a brand new police station. I would like to believe that an investigator would have a large enough brain to think it would be a good idea to view/listen to CCTV images/audio.
Do you know several police officers get away with wrongdoing as I discovered all that was required for a police officer was to deny the allegations and that was the end of the case so long it wasnt a complaint that met the Reg 9 thredhold. They like to call it local resolution. This is why 100% of complaints initially get the "on the balance of probability, no evidence of wrongdoing" reply in the first instance.
Majority of complainants just accept this. It is simply amazing that the police who are tasked with investigating crimes need to be told how to investigate a complaint.
Imagine the police sending out a "on the balance of probabilities" letter for a complaint about an incident that happened in a brand new police station. I would like to believe that an investigator would have a large enough brain to think it would be a good idea to view/listen to CCTV images/audio.
La Liga said:
I think it should be as "seen to be done" as much any other organisation's internal disciplinary procedures.
1 Using Tesco as a comparison, they aren't publicly funded so don't need to be as publicly accountable.2 Continuing with the example, Tesco don't have the power to interfere in folks' lives and e.g. deprive them of their liberty. As such, their prejudices are less important than might be the case here.
Eclassy said:
Sorry but "on the balanace of probabilities, there is no evidence of wrongdoing" by officer A
huh?hasn't he been dismissed?
anyhow, in the earlier report I only saw the first part of the comment with the delightful likening of muslims to animals but it seems the full comment was :-
“That’s because we have allowed them to settle into their own communities and they have no desire to mix, they would rather take over areas and breed like rabbits.
"If you look at the way they take over certain areas it’s not unlike what the Germans did in Europe, they get a stronghold and then go for broke. We have already had 2 Muslim-related beheadings in this country in a year.”
'badly worded' indeed
pork911 said:
huh?
hasn't he been dismissed?
He has:hasn't he been dismissed?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
And there I was expecting the texted commentary from that reporter to be updated with the result.
At least I found out before 11.30pm or 23.30
Edited by carinaman on Friday 5th June 20:58
Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
I think it should be as "seen to be done" as much any other organisation's internal disciplinary procedures.
1 Using Tesco as a comparison, they aren't publicly funded so don't need to be as publicly accountable.2 Continuing with the example, Tesco don't have the power to interfere in folks' lives and e.g. deprive them of their liberty. As such, their prejudices are less important than might be the case here.
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