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As registered keep of a vehicle I have just received a letter headed 'Intention to Prosecute', this suggests that the driver was travelling at 88mph in a 70mph section of a dual carriageway.
I have no great aversion to filling the forms accurately and honestly, but at the same time money is tight and I'm interested as to what the likely fine would be if, for instance, it were myself that was overtaking a slower vehicle and enjoying the sunshine a little too much. Is there any particular method of avoiding a fairly certain looking fate?
I have no great aversion to filling the forms accurately and honestly, but at the same time money is tight and I'm interested as to what the likely fine would be if, for instance, it were myself that was overtaking a slower vehicle and enjoying the sunshine a little too much. Is there any particular method of avoiding a fairly certain looking fate?
Figured as much, it was more a case of whether to expect more than FPN - I knew was aware FPN changed but haven't really been driving much recently! Thought it best to check up. How long will it take to come through after submission of the completed form? Is there a time period within which I should receive the FPN?
ks sakeNever understood the logic if caught over a certain limit its a driving course, if caught at a higher limit then its points and a fine.
If the driving course is genuinely for driver eduction / re education purposes then the ones caught at the higher threshold are in need of it more than those caught at the lower threshold.
If the driving course is genuinely for driver eduction / re education purposes then the ones caught at the higher threshold are in need of it more than those caught at the lower threshold.
richs2891 said:
Never understood the logic if caught over a certain limit its a driving course, if caught at a higher limit then its points and a fine.
If the driving course is genuinely for driver eduction / re education purposes then the ones caught at the higher threshold are in need of it more than those caught at the lower threshold.
The course is education not punishment. Speeding above a certain threshold is not unintentional and therefore attracts a punishment.If the driving course is genuinely for driver eduction / re education purposes then the ones caught at the higher threshold are in need of it more than those caught at the lower threshold.
richs2891 said:
And what does handing out 3 points and a fine teach anyone ?
At least the driving course has the potential to change someone's attitude to speeding, A fine / point - especially if its a first offence - very little really.
It teaches a great many otherwise law abiding citizens to hate and despise the police and the authorities.At least the driving course has the potential to change someone's attitude to speeding, A fine / point - especially if its a first offence - very little really.
Every flash of the camera is potentially one more person who will NEVER assist or cooperate with the police again, ever.
zarjaz1991 said:
richs2891 said:
And what does handing out 3 points and a fine teach anyone ?
At least the driving course has the potential to change someone's attitude to speeding, A fine / point - especially if its a first offence - very little really.
It teaches a great many otherwise law abiding citizens to hate and despise the police and the authorities.At least the driving course has the potential to change someone's attitude to speeding, A fine / point - especially if its a first offence - very little really.
Every flash of the camera is potentially one more person who will NEVER assist or cooperate with the police again, ever.
A first offence is 3 points and £100 fine. Big, fat, hairy deal - it's a tiny penalty reflecting that it isn't seen as much of an offence. Hopefully an outcome is that the offender focuses a bit more carefully on their driving to avoid being a repeat offender and risking a ban - that's what it teaches them.
If someone gets their knickers in a real twist about it, I suspect they wouldn't have been ones to "assist or cooperate with" the police anyway. Or some other trivial thing would have made them similarly riled.
zarjaz1991 said:
It teaches a great many otherwise law abiding citizens to hate and despise the police and the authorities.
Every flash of the camera is potentially one more person who will NEVER assist or cooperate with the police again, ever.
It really isn't.Every flash of the camera is potentially one more person who will NEVER assist or cooperate with the police again, ever.
I got 3 points for 89 in a 70. Is still like the police, because I'm not a spastic.
I did improve my observation skills though.
Vaud said:
zarjaz1991 said:
It teaches a great many otherwise law abiding citizens to hate and despise the police and the authorities.
Every flash of the camera is potentially one more person who will NEVER assist or cooperate with the police again, ever.
It really isn't.Every flash of the camera is potentially one more person who will NEVER assist or cooperate with the police again, ever.
I got 3 points for 89 in a 70. Is still like the police, because I'm not a spastic.
I did improve my observation skills though.
Hate? No, that's too strong. Distrust, resent? Absolutely.
REALIST123 said:
That may be so but, undoubtedly, the relationship between the police and public has declined over recent decades, to a real 'us and them'. It's likely that the 'war on the motorist' (George Osborne's words, not mine) played a significant part in that.
He was talking about fuel duties and VED though, not speeding.If I am caught by the police breaking the law e.g., by speeding, then I don't resent that at all, because (a) it was my choice to speed and (b) I should have better observation skills.
What I do resent them for is arbitrary powers like 'designated public places order' which give them the power to stop someone walking down the street drinking a beer and tell them to stop, with no justification needed, just 'well we might as well, you never know when trouble might kick off'.
thelawnet1 said:
What I do resent them for is arbitrary powers like 'designated public places order' which give them the power to stop someone walking down the street drinking a beer and tell them to stop, with no justification needed, just 'well we might as well, you never know when trouble might kick off'.
Sounds a bit like the powers which councils have to arbitrarily set unrealistic speed limits, with a similar level of justification.REALIST123 said:
That may be so but, undoubtedly, the relationship between the police and public has declined over recent decades, to a real 'us and them'. It's likely that the 'war on the motorist' (George Osborne's words, not mine) played a significant part in that.
Hate? No, that's too strong. Distrust, resent? Absolutely.
I don't distrust the police for enforcing laws that they did not create. Plenty of friends have had speed awareness courses, or even 3/6 points over the years and not one griped about the police. The did gripe about the fine but recognised that they were responsible.Hate? No, that's too strong. Distrust, resent? Absolutely.
Personally I worry about systemic racism but I worry about that in society generally, the police are just a subset of society.
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