Falling foul of a neighbour?

[andymc]

Hi all, I'm motor trade and when my unit is full I store 4 cars in the local pub car park, I pay the landlord and he is more the than happy with money I pay him, I've just had a woman 3 doors down from the pub asking me if I'm selling from the pub, I'm not, am I breaking any byelaws?

Thanks
Andy

Edited by andymc on Friday 10th July 12:59

[marshalla]

andymc said:

am I breaking any bylaws?

You'll need to tell us which council is involved before anyone can start to answer that.


(oh, and "byelaws" btw).

[andymc]

marshalla said:

andymc said:

am I breaking any bylaws?

You'll need to tell us which council is involved before anyone can start to answer that.


(oh, and "byelaws" btw).

edited, thanks it's Durham

[andymc]

I'm not sure if she's reported me yet but she has history with the landlord for noise

[supertouring]

Do customers view/collect the cars from the pub, or is it just storage?

[TooMany2cvs]

So just to clarify...

You park some cars in a pub carpark, and the landlord's fine with that. No more, no less... Is that illegal?

[andymc]

no customers never collect, landlord is happy as the pub looks busier than it is

[andymc]

TooMany2cvs said:

So just to clarify...

You park some cars in a pub carpark, and the landlord's fine with that. No more, no less... Is that illegal?

the cars will show as with trade but untaxed

[TooMany2cvs]

andymc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So just to clarify...

You park some cars in a pub carpark, and the landlord's fine with that. No more, no less... Is that illegal?

the cars will show as with trade but untaxed

That's where you might have an issue. The pub car park will be viewed as public for RTA.

[andymc]

TooMany2cvs said:

andymc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So just to clarify...

You park some cars in a pub carpark, and the landlord's fine with that. No more, no less... Is that illegal?

the cars will show as with trade but untaxed

That's where you might have an issue. The pub car park will be viewed as public for RTA.

ok thanks, see really cars should be SORN'd?

[TooMany2cvs]

andymc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

andymc said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So just to clarify...

You park some cars in a pub carpark, and the landlord's fine with that. No more, no less... Is that illegal?

the cars will show as with trade but untaxed

That's where you might have an issue. The pub car park will be viewed as public for RTA.

ok thanks, see really cars should be SORN'd?

If they're in a publicly-accessible carpark, taxed.

[marshalla]

TooMany2cvs said:

If they're in a publicly-accessible carpark, taxed.

And insured.

[TooMany2cvs]

marshalla said:

TooMany2cvs said:

If they're in a publicly-accessible carpark, taxed.

And insured.

I'm assuming that a reputable trader has them on MID via his trade policy already...

[spats]

marshalla said:

TooMany2cvs said:

If they're in a publicly-accessible carpark, taxed.

And insured.

Are you quite sure about that?

Every single dealership Ive worked in has a publicly accessible carpark. Theres always new and used cars parked there not a single one taxed or insured.

[andymc]

obviously insured but the tax will have expired when passed to trade I'd assume

[Thankyou4calling]

I'll make some assumptions here but if it's a pub car park then that would normally be private property, it's not a public car park so the cars don't need to be taxed or insured.

They do need to be SORNED and if they leave the car park to drive on the road indeed even across a pavement then they need to be taxed and insured.

A pub car park though is normally private property, same as a drive at a house.

[andymc]

Thankyou4calling said:

I'll make some assumptions here but if it's a pub car park then that would normally be private property, it's not a public car park so the cars don't need to be taxed or insured.

They do need to be SORNED and if they leave the car park to drive on the road indeed even across a pavement then they need to be taxed and insured.

A pub car park though is normally private property, same as a drive at a house.

thanks, I will update if anything transpires

[velocefica]

IF the landlord owns the pub outright then it's not a problem and she can go and be a old bothering fuddy duddy somewhere else

[aw51 121565]

Thankyou4calling said:

A pub car park though is normally private property, same as a drive at a house.

Just as a supermarket car park is?

The phrase you're looking for is "curtilage of a residential property"; all else (ie private land over which the public have right of access, such as parking in a pub car park to go to said pub or visit locals or using a supermarket car park) is fair game...

It's crp, but it is also currently the status quo in this matter .

Which reminds me, I suspect the OP may fall foul of Planning if the neighbour complains to them (in particular, if vehicles are being sold from home - which I think they are NOT?), but if all is legit this particular issue should easily be sorted .

[Chrisgr31]

aw51 121565 said:

Which reminds me, I suspect the OP may fall foul of Planning if the neighbour complains to them (in particular, if vehicles are being sold from home - which I think they are NOT?), but if all is legit this particular issue should easily be sorted .

Yes I would guess that planning is likely to be the issue if the neighbour took it up, and business rates would be another albeit the latter would be difficult to prove.