Sex with consent...police Scotland
Sex with consent...police Scotland
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joeg

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157 posts

205 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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The initial message was deleted from this topic on 12 July 2015 at 12:25

Shaw Tarse

31,900 posts

233 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Would you like some vinegar for that chip on your shoulder?

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Only men can rape (directly) so it's literally just reflecting the law.

CPS said:
Rape (section 1)

The elements of rape are:

(A) intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis;
(B) does not consent to the penetration, and
(A) does not reasonably believe that (B) consents

Penetration of the mouth is included.



Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

158 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Sexist?

As only men can commit the act of rape, then I can't really see how it's sexist.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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You don't need to delete your post if you didn't realise the offence is specific to men and found out something new. That's simply learning.

Mercury00

4,251 posts

186 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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This bloke has a total hard-on for Scottish police.

rb5er

11,657 posts

202 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Mk3Spitfire said:
As only men can commit the act of rape
Thats bullst though.

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

158 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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rb5er said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
As only men can commit the act of rape
Thats bullst though.
It's not.
Women can be tried and found guilty by virtue of aid/abet etc. but only men commit the physical act. Sexual assault is different and women can commit that act.

Hamish Finn

476 posts

138 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Original post:

joeg said:


Any one else seen this post on police Scotlands face book? Thoughts? Bit sexist?

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

158 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Seeing it again now (thanks Hamish), maybe the OP was making reference to "be a man...", and questioning whether only men should step in? But as he's now deleted his post and not said anything else, it's hard to tell.

joeg

Original Poster:

157 posts

205 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Sorry using my phone thought I had doubled posted it...didn't mean to delete it! I know only men can be done for rape...I was referring to the reference of being a man!! If a woman cant consent and the man has been drinking how is meant to judge capacity?! Also why no empathise on woman sexually assaulting a drunk male

Rick101

7,190 posts

180 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Been discussed many a time.

Answer seems to be because it's always a man's fault. Rapist, victim, alleged Rapist, proved innocent, doesn't really matter, it's always a man's fault.

Feel for the younger generation these days. When I was a lad (cripes I'm only 34) the whole point of going out and drinking was in the hope of getting laid. Nowadays two folk having great fun drunk sex makes the guy a rapist.

It's a man's fault if you weren't aware.

Edited by Rick101 on Sunday 12th July 14:21

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Do you think that sexual assaults by women on men are as common as sexual assaults by men on women? Do you think that there might be a problem with what may be termed rape culture, and that such culture, if it exists, might involve more men as offenders than women? Would you rather that police be focused in their work by reference to real world crime risks, or that they adopt a strictly PC (oof!) position of strict equality in all things?

joeg

Original Poster:

157 posts

205 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I just worry woman will consent go home with a guy regret it and cry rape the next day!! Im sure guys getting sexually assaulted but are put off from reporting by the attitude you have just shown

Terminator X

20,883 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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joeg said:
I just worry woman will consent go home with a guy regret it and cry rape the next day!! Im sure guys getting sexually assaulted but are put off from reporting by the attitude you have just shown
They could always wait until they know them a bit better scratchchin

TX.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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No doubt some women do falsely allege rape, but others are raped and are inhibited from reporting this. There is a difference between boozy consensual sex (which is fun and fine, even if one or both parties feels a bit regretful the next day), and someone being so drink or drugged that they simply can't give consent (not fun, not fine). No doubt some men are sexually assaulted by women, but is there any realistic basis for suggesting that to be social problem of equivalent scale to the problem of men sexually assaulting women?

Rick101

7,190 posts

180 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I don't see a difference. I don't think there is any great cost in policing it if you include both sexes.

Regardless, easy to say assault on males isn't a problem but by ignoring it you are encouraging the issue to remain hidden. Whats wrong with encouraging people to come forward if the feel they've been wronged. Currently a massive stigma for Man to call for help following domestic violence or sexual assault.

Many will read that and think pah, a man can't be sexualy attacked, they would enjoy it.
Bit like married women should give it up for their husbands. It's their duty after all.

toerag

758 posts

162 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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joeg said:
I just worry woman will consent go home with a guy regret it and cry rape the next day!! Im sure guys getting sexually assaulted but are put off from reporting by the attitude you have just shown



also, I can see the threads being a shade more popular than the dashcam ones.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I like always the idea women casually want to go through the process of reporting a rape, be interviewed in exceptional depth by people they have never met, be intimately examined and have samples taken, have all their friends, family and work colleagues know, go to a public court and be intrusively questioned and challenged by a QC, and then see what a jury decide.


ShaunTheSheep

951 posts

185 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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La Liga said:
I like always the idea women casually want to go through the process of reporting a rape, be interviewed in exceptional depth by people they have never met, be intimately examined and have samples taken, have all their friends, family and work colleagues know, go to a public court and be intrusively questioned and challenged by a QC, and then see what a jury decide.
And yet it still happens. Random example case: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10160... (but certainly not an example of what *can* happen to the falsely accused).

I suspect you knew this already.