Received a PCN from council, could I also get points?
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A couple of weeks ago I turned into a road which recently became no entry. For years it has been 2 way but now the council has decided it would be a good idea to make the first part no entry (it becomes 2 way again part-way down).
Anyway when I realised what I had done I turned around and went around the block the correct way (!)
Today I received a PCN from the council who's mobile camera van had spotted me.
I paid the fine as it's pointless arguing.
Question is, could I receive penalty points as well? Not from the council but from the Police?
I'll tell my insurance anyway to be on the safe side.
According to my customer who lives in that road "they wait in camera vans, usually in the morning, and get loads of people". (That's what they told me afterwards).
Totally pointless making one entrance one way as the road doesn't go anywhere. I'm sure it wasn't done just to generate revenue...
Anyway when I realised what I had done I turned around and went around the block the correct way (!)
Today I received a PCN from the council who's mobile camera van had spotted me.
I paid the fine as it's pointless arguing.
Question is, could I receive penalty points as well? Not from the council but from the Police?
I'll tell my insurance anyway to be on the safe side.
According to my customer who lives in that road "they wait in camera vans, usually in the morning, and get loads of people". (That's what they told me afterwards).
Totally pointless making one entrance one way as the road doesn't go anywhere. I'm sure it wasn't done just to generate revenue...
Thanks folks: just copied this from the AA's site: Looks like it's a council-only matter if I read this right -
A PCN is a penalty for contravention of regulations. It can be paid or contested by appeal or by defending a claim for payment under the small claims track of the county court.
The way that councils progress PCNs, from how they are served through appeal/payment to debt recovery in the case of non-payment, is laid down in regulations.
As well as parking/waiting offences in most parts of the UK, PCNs are used for some moving traffic offences – bus lanes, no entry, restricted turn, yellow box junction etc. – particularly in London.
A PCN can be issued by post as well as by hand or applied to the car windscreen. You have 28 days to pay or challenge.
The Secretary of State for Transport confirms the level of penalty – up to £70 outside London, and up to £130 in London. The penalty is halved if paid within 14 days.
If unpaid, a PCN penalty will be treated as a civil debt and the enforcement authority will endeavour to recover this through the county court system. Ultimately this can result in a visit from the bailiff if the debt remains unpaid.
In areas where the local authority doesn't have civil parking enforcement powers parking is enforced by the police or police-employed traffic wardens who will issue a Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN) enforced through the criminal justice system.
Endorsable parking offences – parking on red routes or zig-zag markings for example – are also enforced by the police or traffic wardens through the criminal justice system.
A PCN is a penalty for contravention of regulations. It can be paid or contested by appeal or by defending a claim for payment under the small claims track of the county court.
The way that councils progress PCNs, from how they are served through appeal/payment to debt recovery in the case of non-payment, is laid down in regulations.
As well as parking/waiting offences in most parts of the UK, PCNs are used for some moving traffic offences – bus lanes, no entry, restricted turn, yellow box junction etc. – particularly in London.
A PCN can be issued by post as well as by hand or applied to the car windscreen. You have 28 days to pay or challenge.
The Secretary of State for Transport confirms the level of penalty – up to £70 outside London, and up to £130 in London. The penalty is halved if paid within 14 days.
If unpaid, a PCN penalty will be treated as a civil debt and the enforcement authority will endeavour to recover this through the county court system. Ultimately this can result in a visit from the bailiff if the debt remains unpaid.
In areas where the local authority doesn't have civil parking enforcement powers parking is enforced by the police or police-employed traffic wardens who will issue a Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN) enforced through the criminal justice system.
Endorsable parking offences – parking on red routes or zig-zag markings for example – are also enforced by the police or traffic wardens through the criminal justice system.
Cheers folks, I thought it may be a way to make money which is so unusual nowadays.
I can't for the life of me think why there is a no entry sign there. It just means that anyone that wants to use the garage or other businesses at the start of the road have to go all the way around the block to get to the same place.
Another excuse not to visit that Godawful depressing place anyway.
I can't for the life of me think why there is a no entry sign there. It just means that anyone that wants to use the garage or other businesses at the start of the road have to go all the way around the block to get to the same place.
Another excuse not to visit that Godawful depressing place anyway.
malc350 said:
According to my customer who lives in that road "they wait in camera vans, usually in the morning, and get loads of people". (That's what they told me afterwards).
Totally pointless making one entrance one way as the road doesn't go anywhere. I'm sure it wasn't done just to generate revenue...
Did none of the residents object when the traffic order applied for, or are they happy that it cuts down on 'rat run traffic'Totally pointless making one entrance one way as the road doesn't go anywhere. I'm sure it wasn't done just to generate revenue...
CaptainMorgan said:
Entering a road via a no entry sign could result in points
Only if the correct orders are in place i suppose, it depends if anyone has checked and challenged that. Many councils and road authorities may be a bit lax getting the correct orders in place. I got one of those from Newham Council which I am disputing. I wasn't even driving so no intention of informing the insurance company. More info here:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
If it's dealt with by the council you won't be getting points.
Basically some councils have taken over dealing with certain offences from the Police. What exact offences will vary borough by borough or council by council.
It hasn't been dealt with as a criminal offence, which would have resulted in a fine/points.
It's been dealt with as a penalty charge, which only attracts a charge.
Basically some councils have taken over dealing with certain offences from the Police. What exact offences will vary borough by borough or council by council.
It hasn't been dealt with as a criminal offence, which would have resulted in a fine/points.
It's been dealt with as a penalty charge, which only attracts a charge.
malc350 said:
Barking and Dagenham.
All London Boroughs operate on street DPE. AFAIK all of them also deal with other contraventions e.g. failure to conform to traffic signs (no entry, no left/right turns etc).There are now very few areas of England and Wales where local authorities have not adopted on street DPE. One of the last bastions where enforcement is the responsibility of the police is Suffolk (Ipswich excepted) - https://www.suffolk.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/par... The District Councils within the county only deal with off-street parking.
Thanks for reassuring me folks!
I was just in the traffic, in a rush, and habitually just turned into the road. Funny how you don't expect a road you know to suddenly be no entry.
I saw the sign as I turned into the road, swore, and turned around straight away.
The strategically placed council camera car got the better of me though, like it no doubt does everyone else...ha ha
I was just in the traffic, in a rush, and habitually just turned into the road. Funny how you don't expect a road you know to suddenly be no entry.
I saw the sign as I turned into the road, swore, and turned around straight away.
The strategically placed council camera car got the better of me though, like it no doubt does everyone else...ha ha
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