Brake failure/reversing bump.
Brake failure/reversing bump.
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Rubin215

Original Poster:

4,201 posts

186 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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This morning while taking the car down off our steep drive my wife had the brake pedal go straight to the floor and the car run away from her.
She has tried to steer it, but has sideswiped a neighbours car causing damage to both. Both are still driveable but neighbours is nearly new so will need proper repair; ours is a shed so hardly worth worrying about.

I haven't had a chance to inspect the brakes properly however the pedal has almost no pressure so my wife isn't telling me fibs.

My dilemma; do I tell my insurance about the brake failure or not? Will it affect our liability in this claim and is it likely to affect future insurance?

Gah! Where's Loon when you need him?

Fleegle

16,710 posts

206 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Rubin215 said:
Gah! Where's Loon when you need him?
He was reported seen in a London gay bar on Saturday night

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Rubin215 said:
My dilemma; do I tell my insurance about the brake failure or not? Will it affect our liability in this claim and is it likely to affect future insurance?
It'll make no difference. It's an at-fault claim for you either way.

Magic919

14,560 posts

231 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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It would only prove useful if the faulty brakes were caused by negligent repairs by a garage. There would then be a case for pursuing the garage.

Rubin215

Original Poster:

4,201 posts

186 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Magic919 said:
It would only prove useful if the faulty brakes were caused by negligent repairs by a garage. There would then be a case for pursuing the garage.
Last person to look at the brakes was me...

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Rubin215 said:
Magic919 said:
It would only prove useful if the faulty brakes were caused by negligent repairs by a garage. There would then be a case for pursuing the garage.
Last person to look at the brakes was me...
Hmmm... How's your marriage? Either of you playing away or seen a divorce lawyer lately...?

xjay1337

15,966 posts

148 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Why would you tell them you had a brake failure?? Seems stupid

Just say you had an accident and the reason was a misjudgement of distance or something.
Fix the brakes.. leaky caliper / master cylinder / fluid issue.

Magic919

14,560 posts

231 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Rubin215 said:
Magic919 said:
It would only prove useful if the faulty brakes were caused by negligent repairs by a garage. There would then be a case for pursuing the garage.
Last person to look at the brakes was me...
That's the end of that then. I'd just keep it brief and avoid lying.

HustleRussell

26,583 posts

190 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
It'll make no difference. It's an at-fault claim for you either way.
This.

Surrender your spanners on the way out.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

258 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Fleegle said:
Rubin215 said:
Gah! Where's Loon when you need him?
He was reported seen in a London gay bar on Saturday night
I thought he was banned from this site?

BertBert

21,299 posts

241 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Ahh, so lie then to the ins co. Are you sure that's such a good idea?
xjay1337 said:
Why would you tell them you had a brake failure?? Seems stupid

Just say you had an accident and the reason was a misjudgement of distance or something.
Fix the brakes.. leaky caliper / master cylinder / fluid issue.

chazwind

130 posts

155 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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HustleRussell said:
TooMany2cvs said:
It'll make no difference. It's an at-fault claim for you either way.
This.

Surrender your spanners on the way out.
yes

bradjsmith88

117 posts

158 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Rubin215 said:
This morning while taking the car down off our steep drive my wife had the brake pedal go straight to the floor and the car run away from her.
She has tried to steer it, but has sideswiped a neighbours car causing damage to both. Both are still driveable but neighbours is nearly new so will need proper repair; ours is a shed so hardly worth worrying about.

I haven't had a chance to inspect the brakes properly however the pedal has almost no pressure so my wife isn't telling me fibs.

My dilemma; do I tell my insurance about the brake failure or not? Will it affect our liability in this claim and is it likely to affect future insurance?

Gah! Where's Loon when you need him?
If you and/or your neighbour claim it is likely to effect your future insurance as you need to declare it at next renewal.

Tell the insurer what really happened - it doesn't make a difference to liability if the car brakes failed, or she failed to brake.

As long as you comply with policy terms and conditions - only likely relevance is keeping the car in a roadworthy condition. A sudden failure would not make it unroadworthy - only if you drove it with knowledge of dodgy brakes.

The insurer would pay for damage to your neighbour's car and impact damage to your car, but would not repair your brakes - this would need to be done at your own cost in addition to paying any policy excess.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,168 posts

180 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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bradjsmith88 said:
Tell the insurer what really happened - it doesn't make a difference to liability if the car brakes failed, or she failed to brake.
That would depend on why they failed. If they failed due to a one off part failure, totally beyond the control of the OP, then he might not be liable for tp damage due to lack of negligence.

However, that's very rare and chances are it's down to an error the OP make when servicing his own brakes.

BertBert

21,299 posts

241 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
However, that's very rare and chances are it's down to an error the OP make when servicing his own brakes.
And how does that affect the payout from the ins co?

scarble

5,277 posts

187 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Not sure why you'd lie?
Definitely consider never ever working on a car ever again.

TooLateForAName

4,933 posts

214 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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BertBert said:
And how does that affect the payout from the ins co?
Potentially they could come after the OP to recover their costs?

Rubin215

Original Poster:

4,201 posts

186 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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So I called the insco and told them what happened, their first question was whether someone else had worked on the brakes recently; talk about sloping shoulders...!

Turns out the brake failure is a blown wheel cylinder; poor Mrs 215 has had her foot on the brake when she started the car and it always dips slightly when started (diesel) so didn't appreciate there was no proper pressure.
We live on a steep hill and have a steep drive (so gravity is especially strong) and what brake pressure there was just wasn't enough to hold the car as it rolled down. She didn't think to pump the brake or pull the handbrake on, so just glided slowly into our neighbours 15 plate Picasso...

Damage to our car is surface scrapes mainly and a knacked drivers door mirror; mirror is £30 on ebay, the rest just adds character. Neighbours will be through the insurance at our liability and a bunch of flowers and a box of choccys to say sorry.

Wheel cylinder and new shoes are just over £40; this is the first time in my ownership the car will have had its drums off so we'll see what's lurking inside.

Hamish Finn

476 posts

138 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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Drums? So this is the rear brakes?

The rear wheel cylinder leaked fluid and the brake pedal went to the floor?

How does that work then?

TwigtheWonderkid

49,168 posts

180 months

Wednesday 27th January 2016
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BertBert said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
However, that's very rare and chances are it's down to an error the OP make when servicing his own brakes.
And how does that affect the payout from the ins co?
It won't.