MOT Query
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velocefica

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4,727 posts

138 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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The pride and joy failed the MOT due to a small hole in the sill and an advisory on the other

I have it away at the bodyshop getting it sorted with some Zinc coated steel on both sills.

Question is. Do I need to keep the plastic sill covers off to show the quality of the welds or should I just put them back on.



TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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velocefica said:
The pride and joy failed the MOT due to a small hole in the sill and an advisory on the other

I have it away at the bodyshop getting it sorted with some Zinc coated steel on both sills.

Question is. Do I need to keep the plastic sill covers off to show the quality of the welds or should I just put them back on.
No, you don't need to leave them off. Mr MOT can only test what can be seen without removing anything.

daytona355

825 posts

229 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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I never cease to be amazed at MOTs on the most recent ferraris, as most of the car is covered for aero, they basically check tyres, lights, and a cursory view underneath, brake check and it's about over. Barely takes ten minutes to complete, car actually has to sit there for the requisite time. Just as well cars like this tend to be serviced properly, otherwise it seems to me there could be some pretty straightforward failures being overlooked

MikeyMike

587 posts

231 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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My understanding is that the MOT tester is not permitted to remove bodywork/trim to inspect items. This would apply to side skirts that cover sills. Hence many testers being known to cover their arses by noting in the advisories field that they couldn't inspect xyz due to the presence of a protective under tray/side skirt etc.

Presumably since you car was failed on the sills, the area effected is visible despite the side skirts, so I'd re-fit them.

velocefica

Original Poster:

4,727 posts

138 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Thanks for the quick answers PH oracles.

With sills being structural I was probably pushing it trying to get it through this year. Apart from sills it's as clean as a whistle underneath.

Amazes me the amount of rust buckets that get through an MOT

944fan

4,962 posts

215 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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When I took my car in recently I had the child seats in the back. One was fixed in with ISOFix the other by the set belt. I got an advisory saying they couldn't check one of the rear seat belts because the seat was in the way. They aren't allowed to move child seats so that bit was juts skipped.

So if you think you car will fail on a seatbelt issue then just shove a car seat on top of it.

Jefferson Steelflex

1,609 posts

129 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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daytona355 said:
I never cease to be amazed at MOTs on the most recent ferraris, as most of the car is covered for aero, they basically check tyres, lights, and a cursory view underneath, brake check and it's about over. Barely takes ten minutes to complete, car actually has to sit there for the requisite time. Just as well cars like this tend to be serviced properly, otherwise it seems to me there could be some pretty straightforward failures being overlooked
Now I understand the annoyance.

eccles

14,399 posts

252 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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944fan said:
So if you think you car will fail on a seatbelt issue then just shove a car seat on top of it.
Wow! such good advice!

Stoofa

959 posts

198 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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eccles said:
Wow! such good advice!
LOL - exactly what I was thinking.

"Think you've got a seatbelt problem? Rear belt not working as it should be? Don't worry about the life of the person sitting in that seat or the person sat directly in front - simply slam in a child's seat instead, problem solved"

Actus Reus

4,312 posts

185 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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NB Mazda MX5s are a case in point - often MOT failing rust on the chasis rails, but they're concealed by an undertray which MOT man won't take off, so the cars pass and owners are none the wiser that in an impact the car would just collapse.

BertBert

21,299 posts

241 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Really?
Stoofa said:
eccles said:
Wow! such good advice!
LOL - exactly what I was thinking.

"Think you've got a seatbelt problem? Rear belt not working as it should be? Don't worry about the life of the person sitting in that seat or the person sat directly in front - simply slam in a child's seat instead, problem solved"

daytona355

825 posts

229 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Jefferson Steelflex said:
Now I understand the annoyance.
So I can't comment on anything unless it's relevant to a Citroen or Peugeot? Get over it, I made an observation from my experience of MOTs, which is the reason for the thread

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Actus Reus said:
NB Mazda MX5s are a case in point - often MOT failing rust on the chasis rails, but they're concealed by an undertray which MOT man won't take off, so the cars pass and owners are none the wiser that in an impact the car would just collapse.
And then people complain when there's an advisory saying "Undertray restricted access"...

944fan

4,962 posts

215 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Stoofa said:
eccles said:
Wow! such good advice!
LOL - exactly what I was thinking.

"Think you've got a seatbelt problem? Rear belt not working as it should be? Don't worry about the life of the person sitting in that seat or the person sat directly in front - simply slam in a child's seat instead, problem solved"
It's called sarcasm.


imagineifyeswill

1,250 posts

196 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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If a car fails the test for a missing wheel nut and returns with hub caps on, the tester is not allowed to remove the hub cap to check the nut has been replaced. I was an MOT tester for 25 years, as far as road worthiness goes an MOT certificate is not worth the paper its printed on.

roddo

584 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Actus Reus said:
NB Mazda MX5s are a case in point - often MOT failing rust on the chasis rails, but they're concealed by an undertray which MOT man won't take off, so the cars pass and owners are none the wiser that in an impact the car would just collapse.
Unless the mot tester knows where to look!!

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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They are looking into possibly changing the MoT because of the covers hiding corrosion, but who knows if it will ever happen as it will increase cost and time for the test.

Scary example from DVSA themselves:

https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/horror-story-...

eccles

14,399 posts

252 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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944fan said:
Stoofa said:
eccles said:
Wow! such good advice!
LOL - exactly what I was thinking.

"Think you've got a seatbelt problem? Rear belt not working as it should be? Don't worry about the life of the person sitting in that seat or the person sat directly in front - simply slam in a child's seat instead, problem solved"
It's called sarcasm.
Is that the sound of back peddling I hear?

944fan

4,962 posts

215 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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eccles said:
944fan said:
Stoofa said:
eccles said:
Wow! such good advice!
LOL - exactly what I was thinking.

"Think you've got a seatbelt problem? Rear belt not working as it should be? Don't worry about the life of the person sitting in that seat or the person sat directly in front - simply slam in a child's seat instead, problem solved"
It's called sarcasm.
Is that the sound of back peddling I hear?
Seriously? You really think I was being serious about suggesting that? I was making light of the fact that the MOT is a load of bks and how things can be subverted quite easily which are quite serious.

I knew there was a reason I didn't venture in to SP+L very often. Time to flounce.

MoggieMinor

471 posts

175 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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imagineifyeswill said:
If a car fails the test for a missing wheel nut and returns with hub caps on, the tester is not allowed to remove the hub cap to check the nut has been replaced. I was an MOT tester for 25 years, as far as road worthiness goes an MOT certificate is not worth the paper its printed on.
And never has been to be honest.