Tenant maximum liability
Tenant maximum liability
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rockford22

Original Poster:

362 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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I have searched the internet for this answer but I imagine the PH community will likely have encountered this before.

Very short and sweet - Can a landlord peruse a tenant for additional compensation over and above retaining their full security deposit? That is to say, an unfurnished property is let and requires a £1,000 deposit. At the end of the tenancy landlord believes that in excess of £1,000 of damages have been made, can he/she bring legal action to claim for the additional financial loss or is their responsibility to set a deposit that would reasonably cover all eventualities?

Before the usual S,P&L replies come along I'm afraid to say there is no interesting back story to this, no "friend" who wants to know and no family member seeking to sue a tenant. I've rented a few properties in my time and only once had a deposit reduced (student accommodation, go figure) but have always wanted to know to answer to the above question.

Thanks!


TwigtheWonderkid

49,167 posts

180 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Yes, the clue is in the word deposit. Deposit being a part payment. You can cause no damage and get it all back, some damage and get part of it back, or excess damage and have to add to it.

mcflurry

9,191 posts

283 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yes, the clue is in the word deposit. Deposit being a part payment. You can cause no damage and get it all back, some damage and get part of it back, or excess damage and have to add to it.
Pragmatically assuming that the tenant has the money / assets to pay the excess frown


505diff

511 posts

273 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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So for example, someone rents a 600k house with a 2 k deposit, then causes a 100ks worth of damage, expecting to only be liable to the tune of 2k? Just goes to show what they have/will achieve in life!!

rockford22

Original Poster:

362 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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505diff said:
So for example, someone rents a 600k house with a 2 k deposit, then causes a 100ks worth of damage, expecting to only be liable to the tune of 2k? Just goes to show what they have/will achieve in life!!
Thanks - you've hit on the exact situation I was thinking of actually (my family had a particularly nasty tenant several years ago who certainly who had this mindset).

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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mcflurry said:
Pragmatically assuming that the tenant has the money / assets to pay the excess frown
If not, then a CCJ will follow... Or bankruptcy.

mcflurry

9,191 posts

283 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
mcflurry said:
Pragmatically assuming that the tenant has the money / assets to pay the excess frown
If not, then a CCJ will follow... Or bankruptcy.
Whilst they will cause lots of issues for the ex-tenant, neither of which will guarantee to get blood out a stone.
Realistically, most tenants don't have another house or other assets, so can pay the debt back at 20pence a year frown

Du1point8

22,938 posts

222 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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Is this not what buildings insurance covers?

LL insurance covers the internals (furniture) but everything else is buildings?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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mcflurry said:
Whilst they will cause lots of issues for the ex-tenant, neither of which will guarantee to get blood out a stone.
Sure. But somebody who's merely playing games will suddenly see sense when faced with a court date.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

188 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
If not, then a CCJ will follow... Or bankruptcy.
Do you have a permanent address for them other than the rental property? Do they have assets that make it worthwhile suing them?

Du1point8

22,938 posts

222 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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Rovinghawk said:
TooMany2cvs said:
If not, then a CCJ will follow... Or bankruptcy.
Do you have a permanent address for them other than the rental property? Do they have assets that make it worthwhile suing them?
can you not garnish their wage.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/debt-and-money/a...

TwigtheWonderkid

49,167 posts

180 months

Friday 26th February 2016
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Du1point8 said:
Is this not what buildings insurance covers?

LL insurance covers the internals (furniture) but everything else is buildings?
Insurance won't cover wear and tear, even excessive wear and tear. And I doubt it'll cover damage deliberately inflicted by the tenant. Buildings will cover one off incidents, like fire, impact, storm etc. But if your tenant decides to knock a wall down or sell the kitchen units or roof tiles, I doubt building insurance will pick that up.

Rangeroverover

1,523 posts

141 months

Friday 26th February 2016
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I had a tenant who wilfully damaged a property, I kept the deposit and went after him in Small Claims, tragically I only had a work address for him so would hand deliver paperwork including photographs of the disgusting state he left the flat in, to his work.

As he was a scumbag, I would open the envelope and ask the receptionist to confirm that all pages were delivered. I would then leave them without the envelope with the receptionist so she could have a good read and a gossip prior to giving them to him.

He rang me an hour later shouting the odds, how dare I etc, he paid up though

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Friday 26th February 2016
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Interestingly, the new tenancy agreement I'm looking at requires me to have insurance for damage to Landlord property. Thanks NFU smile