Richard Huckle sentencing remarks...
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Really beggars belief. My heart goes out to his victims.
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2016/06/06/sentencing...
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2016/06/06/sentencing...
Moaningroadie said:
Sorry to appear thick, but does anyone know why are some sentences concurrent? Why aren't they consecutive?
No idea but the guidelines are here:http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/upl...
Moaningroadie said:
Sorry to appear thick, but does anyone know why are some sentences concurrent? Why aren't they consecutive?
The total sentence should be in proportion to the seriousness of all the offences together.I have never been able to crack the reasoning between concurrent and consecutive. It seems to be almost on the whim of the judge.
23 years is a long sentence. Manslaughter normally attracts lower sentences and the average time served for murderers is lower as well, although their release is on licence for life. It is not a fair comparison perhaps as this criminal has an extended offending record. So from a purely comparative point of view, the sentence seems reasonable.
Russell Bishop is still inside I believe for attempt murder in 1991, and is one of the longest serving prisoners.
Esceptico said:
Why wasn't he prosecuted (and jailed) where he committed the crimes?
Have you ever been to that part of the world? £££ can be converted in $$$ and then you have freedom to do what you want. It's weird at first and they you get used to it. People who say our police are corrupt have no idea until they see how blatant it is. I bribed the police out there - it's just the done thing.
grumpy52 said:
If he was successfully prosecuted out there he would probably have received the death sentence.
I'm still 50/50 whether we should re-introduce the death sentence, as I do not believe there is ever a 'watertight' case, there have been too many miscarriages of justice over the years, & in any case, we see ourselves as a civilised people. However: if this scum really did do these things 100%, what is the point of keeping him alive??There sure are some sick and wicked people out there. That is so distressing to read and although 23 years still-to-do doesn't sound long enough, he will then be reviewed by the parole board before any decision is taken to release him. Inside he will not have an easy time and that is putting it mildly. Both prison officers and other inmates have children and will be revolted by Huckle.
It is a relief that a jury didn't have to see and experience the in-depth evidence as that would have been seriously distressing and traumatising for some. There was a case in the USA where after hearing and transcribing some evidence the person who had to do the transcription actually committed suicide, such was the nature of the evidence (David Parker Ray - but DON'T read the transcript unless you have a very strong mind). For a jury to have to listen to this sort of evidence can be life changing in itself and at least Huckle pleaded guilty, somewhat late it appears.
We all say 'bring back capital punishment' at some time or other, but the downside of it is twofold, even if you don't object on religious grounds. The first is the possibility of innocent people being executed and the second is the possibility of one or more jurors finding 'not guilty' because of their own beliefs. For a capital sentence the decision would have to be unanimous.
It is a relief that a jury didn't have to see and experience the in-depth evidence as that would have been seriously distressing and traumatising for some. There was a case in the USA where after hearing and transcribing some evidence the person who had to do the transcription actually committed suicide, such was the nature of the evidence (David Parker Ray - but DON'T read the transcript unless you have a very strong mind). For a jury to have to listen to this sort of evidence can be life changing in itself and at least Huckle pleaded guilty, somewhat late it appears.
We all say 'bring back capital punishment' at some time or other, but the downside of it is twofold, even if you don't object on religious grounds. The first is the possibility of innocent people being executed and the second is the possibility of one or more jurors finding 'not guilty' because of their own beliefs. For a capital sentence the decision would have to be unanimous.
My mate was in the same class as this guy at school and until not long ago was friends with him on Facebook and everything. Entirely under the belief that he was across the world helpign the children out and building schools etc, from all the posts he put on facebook. It has been said before, but you really do not know people as well as you think you do, and its so easy to be taken in by how things appear on the internet.
Good job he's been put away over here perhaps as has been said, to keep him from bribing his way out. He won't have a nice time of it inside
Good job he's been put away over here perhaps as has been said, to keep him from bribing his way out. He won't have a nice time of it inside
Did anyone else notice the derisory "victim surcharge" he was ordered to pay?
A paltry £120 for a great many very real victims of very real crimes.
Not much more than the "victim surcharge" you're forced to pay for a victimless non-crime should you fall foul of a speed camera.
Sickening!
A paltry £120 for a great many very real victims of very real crimes.
Not much more than the "victim surcharge" you're forced to pay for a victimless non-crime should you fall foul of a speed camera.
Sickening!
Jasandjules said:
Yup, there is a special kind of pain that such people should be subjected to, before being executed. By sawing.
Steady on, bit over the top there, old boy.You can't go round executing people. Let him live, amputate his tackle, graft his cock onto his forehead, stitch his nuts onto his ear lobes and stitch his scrotum up with a concrete ball inside it. Far more humane than your solution...
This bloke makes Gary Glitter seem tame.
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And that, unfortunately, is where you are wrong. These sacks of effluent are locked up in their own special units and will get the best the nanny state thinks they require to make them all lovely and rosy again.I cannot think of a punishment suitable in this, or similar circumstances, but it needs to involve pain, lots of it over a very long period.
roofer said:
And that, unfortunately, is where you are wrong. These sacks of effluent are locked up in their own special units and will get the best the nanny state thinks they require to make them all lovely and rosy again.
I cannot think of a punishment suitable in this, or similar circumstances, but it needs to involve pain, lots of it over a very long period.
They may be locked up in their own special units, but in these units will be a pecking order (as in mainstream units). I do not think he will feature in this pecking order and may well be passed about for recreation.I cannot think of a punishment suitable in this, or similar circumstances, but it needs to involve pain, lots of it over a very long period.
The "Nanny State" will try to make him lovely and rosy again by way of courses and other such offending programs. These are not compulsory to attend or to take part in. In theory he could sit on his arse and cost the taxpayer thousands per year to keep him.
Personally I cannot see him live out his thirties as once the shock of being jailed and he starts to realise that he will never be released he will end it.
andym1603 said:
They may be locked up in their own special units, but in these units will be a pecking order (as in mainstream units). I do not think he will feature in this pecking order and may well be passed about for recreation.
The "Nanny State" will try to make him lovely and rosy again by way of courses and other such offending programs. These are not compulsory to attend or to take part in. In theory he could sit on his arse and cost the taxpayer thousands per year to keep him.
Personally I cannot see him live out his thirties as once the shock of being jailed and he starts to realise that he will never be released he will end it.
I hope you're right. And most of the 'pecking order' will be his mates from no doubt previous activity. The fear of the prison service of attacks on these things is huge. He'll come to no harm once he's banged up with his cronies.The "Nanny State" will try to make him lovely and rosy again by way of courses and other such offending programs. These are not compulsory to attend or to take part in. In theory he could sit on his arse and cost the taxpayer thousands per year to keep him.
Personally I cannot see him live out his thirties as once the shock of being jailed and he starts to realise that he will never be released he will end it.
Russwhitehouse said:
Oh how i would love to have the opportunity to spend quality time with this gentleman in my "workshop". Drills, bolt croppers, jig saw, various noxious chemicals. Ahhh the fun we could have!
This is disturbing on a different level, I would just go for a bullet in the head and be done, no faff, no ceremony. Home in time for tea.I suppose that puts me on the psychopath spectrum somewhere but I don't really care in this case.
Eta: That one from the band Lostprophets, he could get in line as well
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