Can you contest- If bus lane signs were blocked by a bus?
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I received a ticket for being in a bus lane. I've never had one for this type of offence before and it was an honest mistake but a mistake based on not being able to clearly see any road signs or markings.
Does anyone know or has heard if you can successfully contest a PCN for this type of offence, if you could prove that while following a bus, the bus lane signs were unable to be seen and traffic ahead blocked any road markings?
I know for parking tickets that if signage is missing or covered, and you can prove it you will likely succeed on appeal.
I'm contesting based on inadequate signage alerting me to a bus lane being present, using footage shot from a camera in my work van and the orginal CCTV footage to support my case.
Does anyone know or has heard if you can successfully contest a PCN for this type of offence, if you could prove that while following a bus, the bus lane signs were unable to be seen and traffic ahead blocked any road markings?
I know for parking tickets that if signage is missing or covered, and you can prove it you will likely succeed on appeal.
I'm contesting based on inadequate signage alerting me to a bus lane being present, using footage shot from a camera in my work van and the orginal CCTV footage to support my case.
I would not say too closely. . It was a 20mph area and the bus was slowing. I was looking to pass so slightly more to the right.
This bus lane collects 25000 PCNs a year as compared to other bus lanes in the borough which average 300 per year. ( figures from public info request from another website).
Yes I may be clutching at straws but if I cannot see any signs (i.e. inadequate signage) when using a road in a normal manor why should I be held account for moving into the lane.
25000 infringements per year sort of suggests it's a bus lane that causes confusion to the general motorist. .
This bus lane collects 25000 PCNs a year as compared to other bus lanes in the borough which average 300 per year. ( figures from public info request from another website).
Yes I may be clutching at straws but if I cannot see any signs (i.e. inadequate signage) when using a road in a normal manor why should I be held account for moving into the lane.
25000 infringements per year sort of suggests it's a bus lane that causes confusion to the general motorist. .
OK. I'm going to go out on a limb here and bare all. I've made a video that I intend to show to the adjudicator as part of my evidence. It's definitely not professional but it's my version of events reenacted.
Make of it what you will. It's made up of 2 visits down the road behind and beside a bus and the orginal Cctv footage.
Here's the link
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For the link above you will come to a my cloud page click on the 3 dots at the top right to reveal video file.
And here's the link for google maps
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Clapham+Park+R...
The reason I made the video is because anyone looking at google maps will see the road is clear and signs showing a bus lane.
Please give me some proper feedback based on similar experience, law, road code. Not "no" or "clutching at straws"
Make of it what you will. It's made up of 2 visits down the road behind and beside a bus and the orginal Cctv footage.
Here's the link
Link removed
For the link above you will come to a my cloud page click on the 3 dots at the top right to reveal video file.
And here's the link for google maps
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Clapham+Park+R...
The reason I made the video is because anyone looking at google maps will see the road is clear and signs showing a bus lane.
Please give me some proper feedback based on similar experience, law, road code. Not "no" or "clutching at straws"
Edited by ITVRI on Monday 4th July 08:13
Edited by ITVRI on Monday 4th July 09:15
Looking at google maps, but having not seen your video, there is a blue sign before the bus lane and there is no bus stop there, so I fail to see how you missed it. There is also one once you have just gotten to the bus lane. Only if there is a bus in the bus lane would you miss the one that is next tot he bus lane, however at that point you should not be in that lane anyway. The one before the bus lane you still have to drive past and should have been plenty of warning.
I am of course assuming that the location you have provided is correct and you are travelling up Clapham Park Road with the King &Co on your right hand side.
I am of course assuming that the location you have provided is correct and you are travelling up Clapham Park Road with the King &Co on your right hand side.
Forget it....
IIRC your are talking about Lambeth....
In my experience I have never had to deal with any council less suited for controlling the public purse...
Trying to get to speak to anyone who understands the issue and who has any authority is impossible...
Unless you are some bleeding heart nutcase you don't have a chance....
IIRC your are talking about Lambeth....
In my experience I have never had to deal with any council less suited for controlling the public purse...
Trying to get to speak to anyone who understands the issue and who has any authority is impossible...
Unless you are some bleeding heart nutcase you don't have a chance....
Yes Google maps is not helpful in this case. That's why I made the video. When you add normal traffic flow it's a slightly different story and when you add following a bus you can't see the signs of your the car following.
I didn't follow the bus directly into the lane,I passed it as it was slowing, and indicating left, which obstructed my view of the second sign. ( I hadn't visited this road before )I later moved back into the bus lane as I believed it was the lane for turning left at the junction.
I will Post the video tonight And you can tell me......
I didn't follow the bus directly into the lane,I passed it as it was slowing, and indicating left, which obstructed my view of the second sign. ( I hadn't visited this road before )I later moved back into the bus lane as I believed it was the lane for turning left at the junction.
I will Post the video tonight And you can tell me......
Orillion said:
ITVRI said:
Yes I may be clutching at straws but if I cannot see any signs (i.e. inadequate signage) when using a road in a normal manor why should I be held account for moving into the lane.
Could we have a Street View link, please?Greendubber said:
So you're defence is that you were following a bus so couldnt see the sign?
Good luck with that one!
That's right COULD NOT. Good luck with that one!
Why can't I use this as a defence? I can prove that the signage is not suitable when following a bus by showing a video following a bus to that intersection the signs prohibiting me from entering the bus lane are not visible. This intersection with bus lane captures 60 people per day going into it.
There are a lot of other things that can be done to inform motorists that it is a bus lane like painting the road a different colour, providing signs on the island ahead at the top of the intersection, providing signs under the turn left arrow at the lights , installing a raised island or rumble strip
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