Rejecting car from second-hand car dealer
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economicpygmy said:
Found a D5 for 2.5k (top money for dealer good condition) with 80k
What's a D5?How old are we talking about?
economicpygmy said:
When I was 20 miles away from home it was obvious the car had a slow puncture
Could easily have been a nail or something you went over after leaving the dealer.economicpygmy said:
As the wheel locking nut has vanished from the glove box the car sat on the side of the road for a week while a new one arrived from Germany (£30 for those interested).
Did you give the dealer a chance to supply one?economicpygmy said:
...and the inter-cooler looks knackered.
It might "look knackered", but is it still functional?economicpygmy said:
The list of work got longer but the pièce de résistance was that slave cylinder inside the bell housing has a slow leak and the inter-cooler looks knackered.
How old is the car? 10 years? The intercooler may look knackered but you'd know about it if it wasnt working.I'm not sure you've enough to make a rejection stick - particularly if the dealer doesnt play ball.
Yeah its 10 yr old. Those issues are all secondary, its the clutch fluid thats the problem. The intercooler would be a pain but I could replace without too much hassle. Re: wheel nut key - dealer wasnt interested, just said it should be in the car.
I take it you two have both been through the process? Or if youre legally qualified perhaps you could offer advice off the forum?
I take it you two have both been through the process? Or if youre legally qualified perhaps you could offer advice off the forum?
Edited by economicpygmy on Saturday 17th December 18:32
economicpygmy said:
Yeah its 10 yr old. Those issues are all secondary, its the clutch fluid thats the problem. The intercooler would be a pain but I could replace without too much hassle. Re: wheel nut key - dealer wasnt interested, just said it should be in the car.
I take it you two have both been through the process? Or if youre legally qualified perhaps you could offer advice off the forum?
Ex motor trader and happy to give my take.I take it you two have both been through the process? Or if youre legally qualified perhaps you could offer advice off the forum?
Edited by economicpygmy on Saturday 17th December 18:32
Rejection is very difficult because it relies on the seller to accept the rejection. If you reject the car and the dealer declines then you effectively have to "put the car beyond use" and go legal. That means you cant reject it and drive about in it and it could take months to get to court.
Even if you get it to court, it "could" be hard to make a fluid leak "stick" as a reason for a full rejection.
You may have a case for getting repairs but rejection isnt easy.
If he wasnt interested in the lock nut problem i cant see him being facilitating of giving you your money back.
I could be wrong of course. Worth a crack i guess but just managing your expectations.
Edited by daemon on Saturday 17th December 19:49
surveyor said:
OP you'll get little useful help on here...
We seem to have lots of traders who expect a purchaser to accept a knackered car if it's more than a couple of years old.
Best of luck with it...
We've lots of traders and ex traders happy to give an objective view of what the law actually entitles youWe seem to have lots of traders who expect a purchaser to accept a knackered car if it's more than a couple of years old.
Best of luck with it...
Just because you dont like the answer, doesnt make it wrong.
I understand what you’re saying but I cant drive it anyway so its useless, there’s fluid leaking in the bell housing and I need to buy another car which I can use for work. As I mentioned the countless other issues I was willing to chalk it up to experience but now they come into play as I haven’t got the time or money to perform that level of work on the car.
economicpygmy said:
I understand what you’re saying but I cant drive it anyway so its useless, there’s fluid leaking in the bell housing and I need to buy another car which I can use for work. As I mentioned the countless other issues I was willing to chalk it up to experience but now they come into play as I haven’t got the time or money to perform that level of work on the car.
Then i would try for a rejection if you feel its the route you want to go down. I'd go for "here are the list of isses, and i am rejecting the car and want a full refund". It might work, i dont know. Hard to say.hedgefinder said:
economicpygmy said:
Its not. £500-1300. With the other [u]parts[/u] cost 2k. Throwing good money after bad...
that would be the wear and tear parts that you have replaced...........What _is_ a "D5", anyway...?
I'm neither a legal eagle, nor a trader, nor am I one of those who routinely just turns a thread like this into an argument. However, from my understanding, you're pretty much on a hiding to nothing here. I must say, I do think that lots of people have now heard of the "reject" approach and seem to want to jump on the bandwagon for the slightest issue.
So, to your situation:
So, to your situation:
economicpygmy said:
Found a D5 for 2.5k
Honestly, I know that's a chunk of wedge for many people but in car-land, it's really right down near the bottom end, certainly in dealer-land, and you should expect some issues at that price point.economicpygmy said:
The steering felt heavy for a car of this type
Did you discuss this with the seller before you bought it?economicpygmy said:
When I was 20 miles away from home it was obvious the car had a slow puncture and I had to stop.
You definitely can't pin that one on the dealer. A "proper" slow puncture might take several days to deflate, not half an hour. You got a puncture, is all. Not the dealer's fault or issue.economicpygmy said:
As the wheel locking nut has vanished from the glove box the car sat on the side of the road for a week while a new one arrived from Germany
Was that yours in a lay-by by the side of the A20?economicpygmy said:
I dont trust old tyres so I was OK with more expenditure (£400)
Which you won't get back if you reject so you're 20% down own the purchase price already.economicpygmy said:
the pièce de résistance was that slave cylinder inside the bell housing has a slow leak and the inter-cooler looks knackered.
And were these issues present/obvious when you test-drove it? Do they detract from the drive? Did you discuss with the dealer?economicpygmy said:
Ive read the legislation which would seem to indicate that I can reject the car on the grounds that there are some major faults which were either present or present and covered up before purchase but not acknowledged. The slow puncture specifically pisses me off as it was dangerous but I would have let that go.
IANAL, as they say, but I am pretty certain that you need to give the dealer the opportunity to rectify (perhaps more than once?) before you can reject. What has the dealer said about any of this? You are 100% on your own with the puncture (which you've rectified with new tyres anyway). I suspect the only recourse you might have is over the slave cylinder, IF it interferes with the driving of the car, but even then any court might argue that a "cheap" 10 year old car will have these types of issues.You need to talk to the dealer. Who's to say he won't say "sorry about that, drop it off this week and we'll sort the slave cylinder" and then you're good to go.
So the 700 is for parts I was fitting, not a garage. Thats just parts cost.
The clutch slave is 1 full day labour + £100 to £700 parts depending on whats found.
Its not that I cant understand the POV that its used, these things happen. Its that its obviously a preexisting fault which I asked about.
As for the slow punctures, depends whats causing it and if its being driven.
Ill see what they say, thanks for the advice.
The clutch slave is 1 full day labour + £100 to £700 parts depending on whats found.
Its not that I cant understand the POV that its used, these things happen. Its that its obviously a preexisting fault which I asked about.
As for the slow punctures, depends whats causing it and if its being driven.
Ill see what they say, thanks for the advice.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
I think you have a genuine argument for the slave cylinder. Unfortunately they might argue the case only to pay for the slave cylinder itself, and not the expensive clutch which it ruins.
Im glad youve said that, someone gets it. This is why I dont believe its fair to say Ive jumped straight to rejection. Ive worked out the outcomes and its the least worst option.I agree that the intercooler is something I could monitor, buy the parts, and replace in slow time. Its not something that bothers me other than its yet another issue.
What a palava. On the upside I have a nice Aygo for the week.
Edited by economicpygmy on Sunday 18th December 10:51
I bought a car I wasn't happy with at the time but when I looked into the hassle involved in going further with it I just ended up getting the faults fixed, you have more rights buying from a dealer but if I found a similar car for sale from a genuine private buyer for less money I'd buy that and bank the difference for potential repairs
This was an interesting read on another forum about how it can go should you decide to go to the small claims court
There's a summary at the end
https://www.avforums.com/threads/defective-car-bou...
This was an interesting read on another forum about how it can go should you decide to go to the small claims court
There's a summary at the end
https://www.avforums.com/threads/defective-car-bou...
Edited by wack on Sunday 18th December 18:18
Edited by wack on Sunday 18th December 18:18
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